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[hector13]

How will a classless society in the modern age destroy the concept of nation and culture, and, separately, why would that be a bad thing?

[TheSteppeWolf]

How will a classless society in the modern age destroy the concept of nation and culture

Don't communists want a world revolution which means erasing all borders, either instantly or eventually?

why would that be a bad thing?

Because culture is the most important thing an ethnicity has.

[JoshuaFH]

How will a classless society in the modern age destroy the concept of nation and culture, and, separately, why would that be a bad thing?

A classless society would be a heavenly utopia, with all its residents being sinless angels without the temptations of power or supremacy over others. A little farfetched to imagine such a thing on Earth.

[TheSteppeWolf]

How will a classless society in the modern age destroy the concept of nation and culture, and, separately, why would that be a bad thing?

A classless society would be a heavenly utopia, with all its residents being sinless angels without the temptations of power or supremacy over others. A little farfetched to imagine such a thing on Earth.

Yes, this is why trying to force one would be a disaster. Humans are inherently flawed and greedy.

[Yoink]

Agreed 100% with Mr. Wolf.   
Pretty much all valid complaints against "capitalism" would be better directed at the weird, stifling, overly litigious nanny state that comprises most modern governments in the first world. I feel like this could be worded better, but I just got home and am distractingly hungry.   
Also, is "litigiocracy" a word that makes sense? I googled it but the only result was an obscure Battletech sourcebook. I feel like that's a good, concise way to describe the countries in question.   

[Rolan7]

I don't think that humans need to hurt others in order to be happy.  We've constantly become more efficient in our work, particularly over the last few decades.  Shouldn't that mean that we aren't required to work so much, and we all live better?  That's what Marx envisioned.

Isn't it weird that people in the USA have to work more hours than ever and have to pay for our own healthcare, despite being in the most powerful country in the world?

[ChairmanPoo]

Agreed 100% with Mr. Wolf.   
Pretty much all valid complaints against "capitalism" would be better directed at the weird, stifling, overly litigious nanny state that comprises most modern governments in the first world. I feel like this could be worded better, but I just got home and am distractingly hungry.   
Also, is "litigiocracy" a word that makes sense? I googled it but the only result was an obscure Battletech sourcebook. I feel like that's a good, concise way to describe the countries in question.   

Wow 

I guess a fondness for the "no true scotsman" fallacy is one of the things tankies and rand fanboys  socialist and capitalist apologetics have in common  🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Edit:
Redacted because it WAS a tad too aggressive

[TheSteppeWolf]

I don't think that humans need to hurt others in order to be happy.  We've constantly become more efficient in our work, particularly over the last few decades.  Shouldn't that mean that we aren't required to work so much, and we all live better?  That's what Marx envisioned.

Isn't it weird that people in the USA have to work more hours than ever and have to pay for our own healthcare, despite being in the most powerful country in the world?

That is your particular government's fault, not capitalism in general's fault. Look at European countries, don't they have less work hours?

But over all I like America despite its faults.

[Yoink]

@Poo: ...Um. Did you mean to quote someone else? I am neither of those things. 🤔   

[ZBridges]

Agreed 100% with Mr. Wolf.   
Pretty much all valid complaints against "capitalism" would be better directed at the weird, stifling, overly litigious nanny state that comprises most modern governments in the first world. I feel like this could be worded better, but I just got home and am distractingly hungry.   
Also, is "litigiocracy" a word that makes sense? I googled it but the only result was an obscure Battletech sourcebook. I feel like that's a good, concise way to describe the countries in question.   

I think that removing all regulation would just make things worse.  No work safety requirements and no minimum wages mean that workers would suffer.

[TheSteppeWolf]

Agreed 100% with Mr. Wolf.   
Pretty much all valid complaints against "capitalism" would be better directed at the weird, stifling, overly litigious nanny state that comprises most modern governments in the first world. I feel like this could be worded better, but I just got home and am distractingly hungry.   
Also, is "litigiocracy" a word that makes sense? I googled it but the only result was an obscure Battletech sourcebook. I feel like that's a good, concise way to describe the countries in question.   

I think that removing all regulation would just make things worse.  No work safety requirements and no minimum wages mean that workers would suffer.

He might have meant social regulation but yes.

[ZBridges]

Social regulations include environmental controls and health and safety regulations.  Those also seem important to me.

[ChairmanPoo]

@Poo: ...Um. Did you mean to quote someone else? I am neither of those things. 🤔   

Maybe I overinterpretated a bit, but I got the feeling you were angling towards a "There is no true capitalist system in the planet!" kind of argument. Which is a mirror image of the "there is no true socialist system on the planet!" cop out.

Anddd... after rereading I think you *ARE* saying that in fact. Maybe it´s exaggerated to say you´re a Randroid, just like it would be exaggerated to call someone a tankie just for advocating socialism, I´ll grant you that and withdraw that terminology. Aand apologize for it.

But come on, "nanny states"? Try to file a claim to paypal against a dubious company abroad, and you´ll get first hand experience of what you get when checks and balances against corporations are removed.

Actually scratch that. Save your money and look at the subprime crisis of 2009. That´s what unregulated free market looks like. It does, in fact, result in rather crappy and inefficient results. You want the state to keep the corporations from going full robber baron (which they will if you let them). You also want the state to provide infrastructure and social services, and tax the corporations to fund those (which is completely legit. Those corporations are operating *because* there´s a infrastructure and an educated, healthy, worker base. And no they can´t be expected or trusted to sort this out themselves. Let me put it this way: would you trust with your life a lunatic like Elon Musk?
Unregulated capitalism is self destructive and not really operative medium term.  TBH despite the argument being often put the the other way around, I think it´s far more antagonical with human nature than any hypothetical socialist system, simply because left to their own devices humans are dicks and will ruin everything for short term gain. Heck, the US is living through that right now: the country was reopened because some people were very worried about a drop in their profits, and NOW there will be a drop in their profits AND a huge pile of dead people.

[hector13]

How will a classless society in the modern age destroy the concept of nation and culture

Don't communists want a world revolution which means erasing all borders, either instantly or eventually?

Is this a bad thing?

why would that be a bad thing?

Because culture is the most important thing an ethnicity has.

Ethnicity is just one of many things used to separate human beings from one another.

Broadly speaking, we’re all the same when you boil it down; we all have the same needs and wants and desires, why complicate things by saying we have differences because of where your ancestors were from or what they did?

[Yoink]

Oh, what I meant was more that modern democracy was the problem, not that we should go full Ancap or something. Not that I know enough about anarchocapitalism (or whatever it's called) to really discuss it. Is that what Rand was about? Not about to google it, I don't feel like putting my back out from cringing too hard.       
Capitalism goes great when paired with saner forms of government, at least historically. Maybe it's just the information age that has made a mess of things. *shrug*   


Edit: I somehow get the feeling Hector's the type of Scot who voted to remain latched onto England's teat...