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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7605 on: June 25, 2020, 08:03:34 am »

It's that time of year again.

Time to mass-murder my braincells with the "Purposefully drawn out to the point of inducing 'caged animal' instincts' narrators in the online training I must endure 4 times a year.

Seriously, when it takes 70 seconds worth of audio to inform me that "Audio is required for this course, make sure you have audio enabled and that your speakers are turned on. The seek bar is currently disabled; You will not be able to proceed to the next slide until the audio playback has completed", and all subsequent narration is just as horribly slow 1/2 to 1/3 tempo of normal speech, (and waaaaaay over inflected like the narrator graduated from the William Shatner school of acting), it makes me want to start chewing my limbs off to be free of the trap I find myself in.

Throw onto that, that I have literally completed EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. OF. THESE. THINGS. just 4 months ago, and can still clearly remember each and every slide, I want to take a page out of the unibomber handbook, and send a "thank you!" complimentary "free gift" to whoever is responsible for the curriculum.

So, not life changing here, just "OMG, REALLY? ... AGAIN?" levels of loathing.

You can plug in headphones and not wear them, then just let them play while you do something else. Just switch back and hit next when the noise stops.
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« Reply #7606 on: June 25, 2020, 02:52:20 pm »

No. People always suggest that to me, but NO., NO that does not work. NO. THAT DOES NOT WORK.

Here is why:

THE SLIDE DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY ADVANCE.  YOU MUST CLICK THE BUTTON.

In addition to that, they have injected, at fairly random moments 'Check your understanding!' interactive elements to the course, FORCING you to interact with the braincell killing lecture, (that again, I have already done at least 4 times previously.)


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« Reply #7607 on: June 25, 2020, 05:16:56 pm »

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« Reply #7608 on: June 25, 2020, 05:30:31 pm »

Yeah, I've done those too, during my time in retail. You try spacing out an hour in, only to have the test tell you something along the lines of:

'Sometime in the last fifteen minutes of our coma-inducing and borderline insulting bullshit we've told you how many apples does Jim have. Please enter the correct number to continue. You have two attempts. No, you can't listen to it again. If you get it wrong both times you will have failed miserably at this simple task, proving once again that our employees are more stupid than we thought, and that we need to keep dumbing down these tests. The speech was probably too fast or NOT SUFFICIENTLY ENUNCIATED.
You still need to retake the entire thing, though. The questions will be different this time, so you will have to listen. No, you're not paid for your time - this is mandatory self improvement.
Thank you for serving our corporate overlords.'

Well, it might not be telling you all that, but it's strongly implied.

And then you think to yourself that the company paid somebody to design this, likely more money than you'll see from them in a year.
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« Reply #7609 on: June 25, 2020, 10:12:13 pm »

wierd, aren't you an engineering and technology guru or something like that? Why are you working at a nursing home facility as a grunt?
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7610 on: June 25, 2020, 11:09:00 pm »

Probs 'cause he likes helping folks. Also it's probably far steadier work than most other industries?   
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« Reply #7611 on: June 26, 2020, 01:26:45 am »

I worked for several fortune 500s.  Never again.


Basically.


To work in Tech, you either work for one of the fortune 500s directly, or you support one of them indirectly. Since they are like working for satan, the answer there is no.  I enjoy tech work, but I do not enjoy, nor approve of, how big corporations treat customers, treat business partners, treat their employees, use the technologies they back/engineer, nor how their activities have changed the world for the worse.  I will withhold my compliance.

In the engineering work I used to to, as an industrial draftsman-- It was fun and enjoyable work. However, everyone and their dog has been subsumed by yet more fortune 500s ever eager to GROW!! GROOOW!!!!, and which then shit out documents demanding the fucking kitchen sink to continue working there, which I will not accede to.


When I hired on at the nursing home, the Director of Nursing basically asked me the same question you just did.  The answer is the same, and I laid it out rather bluntly.  I would rather clean up actual shit, than deal with bullshit.  (At least with actual shit, once you clean that ass, there is no more shit there. With bullshit, you can spend your whole damn life trying to clean up a single instance, and it will NEVER go away. Actual shit is a natural consequence, and not something most people enjoy making, or having around. Bullshit? Oh-- people very much like creating that on purpose.) I am very much "Done" dealing with petty office politics, dealing with all the "But they have more money than that other customer, so TREAT THEM SPECIAL!!", and the "500 step process to send a warranty replacement part, which is engineered to deny at every single step." (because GAWD FORBID that we ACTUALLY honor our part of an agreement! EVERY OPPORTUNITY to "prove" the customer in breach must be COMPLETELY investigated FIRST!! Because "THE MONIES!!")

Fuck greedy companies that feel "UNBEARABLY UNCOMFORTABLE!!" at the notion that an employee might be able to make an innovation at home, off the clock, that they then cannot claim ownership of. (Even after they stop being an employee, because they added verbiage to the agreement that the agreement survives termination, with no exit provision. True story, that's why I quit the drafting job. I still have the agreement form as a digital image somewhere if you guys want to see it.)


When the world is not fucking fucked up and stupid, I will stop withholding my talents.  Until then, I won't enable this horseshit I see every damn day. 

I would rather wipe the asses of old people that can't help themselves, and appreciate the care--- than supplicate to the bullshit of neocon fascist nazi wannabes. 


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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7612 on: June 26, 2020, 01:41:21 am »

Huh. I'm currently in an industrial drafting job, but it's been pretty nice. I guess my company is one of the better ones.

Which I guess makes sense. I have two team members that used to work for our big Fortune 100 customer directly, and both left them and are now working for us.
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« Reply #7613 on: June 26, 2020, 01:49:25 am »

I loved doing drafting.  I was a stickler for details, and assured that I could properly create a digital dataset from my full dimensional drawings. (and that the upstream supplier of that data actually complied with ASME Y14.5, like they CLAIMED to. You have no idea how many times they tried to claim inappropriate datums in aerospace! SO. MANY. TIMES.)

But then Precision Cast Parts Inc decided that they needed to buy the company I worked for. The owners wanted to retire in comfort, and PCP offered them a deal they could not refuse, so they sold.  Then they literally made it a requirement of continued employment that the following conditions be agreed to:

1) The only person that can change this contract, in any way, is the CEO.
2) You, the prospective/continuing employee, AGREE that the following is true:
  a) It would cause unspeakable harm to the company, to which there is no acceptable legal remedy, should this contract be in any way violated, and that as a result of this, you agree to being held to extraordinary means for the company to reimburse its losses.
b) You agree that every product of your mind belongs to them, regardless of the capacity to which you are employed, or the hours of the day you created such product. Literally any creative project you undertake belongs to them, exclusively, and that the know-how you have, is a direct result of their training you, and thus they are entitled to any and all proceeds from that. FOREVER. (Literally "survives termination of employment.") This includes things that they are not legally entitled to claim otherwise. (Literally stated in the agreement.)


I told their attorney that I could not agree to the terms of the agreement, because I could not agree that those conditions are true, could not willfully abrogate rights that are against the law to give up (in the manner they demanded), and that making an agreement with this verbiage constituted an illegal contract, because it was being negotiated from a position of unfair advantage on their part.  She pointedly asked if I was an attorney, which I responded "no" to, (because I am not.)  She then tried to stuff a bunch of horse-shit at me that it was just "Standard boilerplate", (which it is NOT, I double-checked!), and after a protracted phone conversation with her, I was escorted out of the building, because I could not continue employment there, because I could not agree to the onerous terms.



Just to be clear-

I am perfectly OK with the ALREADY EXISTING "Works for hire" law on the books. (and stated this to the attorney.) There was no need for this kind of agreement, it is already understood that works created for an employer are created for the benefit and ownership of that employer, and the person creating that work is remunerated by the pay provided by the employer, not the legal ownership of that work.  Items that get this designation are agreed upon between the employee and the employer; but this employer wanted *EVERYTHING!!!!*, and not specific kinds of creative work. This is abusive and onerous, and I would not agree to such a circumstance.

I am perfectly OK with preserving industrial secrets with an NDA, as the release of an industrial secret can cause significant harm. Which I also asserted to the Attorney. I further stated that such a category must be properly delineated, and not subsumed in a universal capacity, "EVERYTHING!!".  In sharp discordance with the nature of the agreement they demanded I accept, *THEY* were the ones gaining *MY* intellectual knowhow, creativity, and capabilities-- through their acquisition of my previous employer-- NOT the other way around; they DID NOT train me, (NIAR trained me, and I have documented proof of that), they are not entitled to the perpetual ownership of my creative capacities, and have no right to demand it. They are free to demand that anything I create that involves an industrial secret specific to their company (which has been properly defined as such), and that any creative work I produce for pay, is their property.  But they do not get to claim extravocational skills or products of my mind, nor to claim that such a transfer of ownership can continue in perpetuity after my termination, as that would deprive me of any means of producing a livelihood.

What I am STRONGLY against, is the demand for things that are completely outside the scope of my employment (which the agreement demanded), and the demand that I legally agree to terms that I did not in actuality agree to. (Specifically, the ONLY remedy available at law is financial compensation, and possibly injunctive relief, depending on the circumstances. Demands that they be entitled to basically carte-blanche anything and everything they can think of as their "Extraordinary remedy", is just absurd. They are NOT entitled to that, and they are NOT legally entitled to demand that-- AND-- I do NOT agree with essentially perpetual agreements of this nature, that are so open-ended, and clearly unfair.)


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« Reply #7614 on: June 26, 2020, 05:37:30 am »

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« Reply #7615 on: June 26, 2020, 06:06:52 am »

Here, give me a little bit, and I will post an image of that onerous rag. It was so out of control, I had to show it to other people.

OK, here it is.



Sorry, but the camera in my phone was bullshit, and I no longer have the original document (because over 8 years ago now... but I still get mad about this thing.)


You can see from the radical over-reach in their "Innovations" section that "know-how" is specifically called out, as is "Work of authorship in any medium".  The preceding section defines that they obtain "Intellectual Property" through acquisitions, such as the purchase of the company I was employed at. (exacta aerospace).  As per the second section, that intellectual property includes my know-how.  Basically, they wanted to claim that everything I knew about how to perform my job, was their exclusive intellectual property now. This would have made it impossible for me to work in another aerospace industry position, in the role I was currently employed in, because my knowhow about how to perform the job belonged to them, exclusively, and that ownership persists after termination.

I was the ONLY person who refused the agreement. 
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« Reply #7616 on: June 26, 2020, 06:47:00 am »

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« Reply #7617 on: June 26, 2020, 07:04:49 am »

So, the reader's digest answer to

"Why did you leave aerospace/tech?"

can be cleanly summarized as

"Fascists."
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Re: Things that made you mildly upset today thread
« Reply #7618 on: June 26, 2020, 08:27:42 am »

How is that even legal.
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« Reply #7619 on: June 26, 2020, 08:32:16 am »

There are some friends of the family I'm connected with on Facebook. Nice people, generally high educations/well-read (she's worked as a librarian for a good while over her life).

I've squabbled with them a couple times before when they share articles about millenials being unrealistic/entitled or how phones/video games/movies are ruining the youth of today... I mean, they're old and they're book people, can't really blame them too much for some of the self-assuring stuff they post from time to time.


It seems, however, that they've just upgraded. Saw he shared a "striking video!" detailing some of the signs of voter fraud in the US.

...a video from PragerU.


Normally I can pick apart the fallacies the other stuff they post falls into, but I legitimately don't even know where to begin with PragerU.
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