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[anewaname]

The thing about some ideological groups is they will ally with another group that has conflicting ideologies to destroy a greater enemy, because they envision it as a temporary alliance that they can break later with a backstab. The neo-nazis supporting the AFD are doing this, just like the neo-nazis in the USA are doing this with the GOP.

[Strongpoint]

The thing about some ideological groups is they will ally with another group that has conflicting ideologies to destroy a greater enemy, because they envision it as a temporary alliance that they can break later with a backstab. The neo-nazis supporting the AFD are doing this, just like the neo-nazis in the USA are doing this with the GOP.

Sure. Parties that tolerate destructive and hateful ideologies within their ranks for more votes\money\influence are a problem. Voters who ignore such situations because of something more important are also wrong.


My problem is "OMG! East Germany is full of Neo-Nazi! Bad Eastern Germans! Bad Eastern Germans!" kind of mentality. It does nothing to fix the problem, doesn't represent reality, spreads dangerous negative stereotypes, and stirs unnecessary conflicts.

[anewaname]

Yeah, I can see that... it would create a stereotype for people from that region, and as soon as those people speak with a regional accent or say where they are from, that stereotype is applied.

This is a partial diversion from the German neo-nazi topic, but I was reminded of this "Why Poland is Divided" vid which attempts to show a relation between Poland's geographical political divide and data from the Soviet era and post-Soviet era on housing conditions. Here is the transcript of the vid's intro where the presenter shows some data maps of Poland:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is a map of the most recent  Polish elections. You can clearly see where the conservative government has been defeated by a  progressive opposition. Wait, no, this is actually a map of all the houses that have bathrooms.  This is a map of the most recent Polish elec- Oh. Houses built before 1945. This is embarrassing.  Wait. This is the map of the most recent election. Why do all these maps look the same?

There were plenty of youtube comments that disagreed with different data in the vid but I wouldn't be surprised if those maps were accurate at the time they were created; and that German maps of similar housing data would show that eastern Germany could be "profiled"/"stereotyped" the same way. Most conservative people I know would despise neo-nazi ideology but are fiscally conservative and are happy to continue using stuff that works well (a old house, or a plumbing system, etc).

[bloop_bleep]

Denazification has little to do with it.

AfD got what in Eastern Germany? Something around 1/3, right?. Do you truly think that 33% of people there are neo-Nazies? If this would be true, we would see some new incarnation of brownshirts already and observe widespread terrorism

AfD is not a Neo-Nazi party. It doesn't have a Neo-Nazi programme. It doesn't make Neo-Nazi promises. After all, it is impossible by German law.

AfD is a far-right party that tolerates cryptic (or not-so-cryptic) Neo-Nazi in their ranks. It is also a party that Neo-Nazi vote for because they have nothing ideologically closer. (Not that a hardcore Neo-Nazi can support a party with a lesbian leader who has a 'racially inferior' partner.)

Modern fascism is not immediately brown shirts and political hits. It's more often "friendly fascism", which appears professional and intends to use "softer", more subtle social power to accomplish its goals.

[martinuzz]

Indeed, who needs gas chambers if you can ship your untermenschen to die of thirst and hunger in Rwanda, right?

[wobbly]

A lot of these parties are neo-nazi groups who have expanded their profile to be electable. They are still at their core a neo-nazi party, it's just hidden behind a campaign strategy to attract a larger audience of voters.

[martinuzz]

A majority in Dutch parliament voted for a minimum age of 15 for access to social media.

[Strongpoint]

A majority in Dutch parliament voted for a minimum age of 15 for access to social media.

And how will it be enforced?

[ChairmanPoo]

A majority in Dutch parliament voted for a minimum age of 15 for access to social media.

And how will it be enforced?

The strong will do what they can and the weak will suffer what they must.

[Great Order]

A majority in Dutch parliament voted for a minimum age of 15 for access to social media.

And how will it be enforced?

Probably akin to the similar stuff around porn in the UK: They'll come up with a magical solution, realise it's actually unworkable, give up, then try again a few years later with the exact same issues.

[martinuzz]

A majority in Dutch parliament voted for a minimum age of 15 for access to social media.

And how will it be enforced?

I know right that's what everyone is wondering. Mandatory bloodletting and testing before turning on the pc sounds like fun. But for gods sake, stop bleeding on the carpet.

[Naturegirl1999]

When was blood able to tell age?
Perhaps using Susie measurements to guess an age might work better?
(I know you’re joking but I’m attempting to play along with the joke)

[martinuzz]

It's a joke, but blood can tell age as well. Our DNA strings end in so called telomeres (a repeating sequence of DNA). Each time a our cells divide, their DNA gets a bit shorter; some of the telomeres are lost. So by looking at the lenght of the telomeres (for instance in blood cells) a pretty accurate estimate of age can be made.

What is a Susie measurement? Google doesn't know.

EDIT: I say blood cells but those might be a bad sample since they are produced by stem cells which do not lose telomers. Perhaps a biopt of sedentary tissue is needed for it.

[Il Palazzo]

So by looking at the lenght of the telomeres (for instance in blood cells) a pretty accurate estimate of age can be made.

Have you actually seen this somewhere (nevermind the type of cells), or is it something you've come up with? I'm interested and can't find any indication that it's a thing. The one review study I read doesn't seem to indicate that (that I can see), while talking about large individual variation in telomere length (approx. 50% range at birth) as well as environmental effects playing a role in per annum shortening, suggesting to me that it'd be useless for the purpose. They talk about the length maybe being useful as a proxy for aging, but that's not the same as a proxy for age <- maybe that's what you're thinking of.
link for nerds: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7859450/

Btw, they talk about leukocyte telomere length, so blood cells are just fine.

[martinuzz]

It might be not accurate enough for exact age determination, but with large enough DNA database of the species (which we have for humans), and comparison within the individual subject of stem cells that have their initial telomere lenght preserved from birth with aged cells, it would not be a bad approximation either.
I cannot find any article on it but I do remember reading about it. Since environmental effects indeed play a role (if only becauses environmental cell damage requires cells to renew more often), it would be more accurate at younger age than at older age.