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[Kagus]

Yep, that's the whole thing: Even if they technically give consent, they can't give informed consent due to their immaturity. There is of course some variance from individual to individual, but 18 is a decent enough catch-all.

As such, it's an inherently harmful dynamic when exercised.

[Loud Whispers]

I think that was his point, if I’m not mistaken.

wierd was saying conservatives are paedos, much more so than libs, and LW was saying libs can be just as much paedos as conservatives.

yup

Ok, but LW is still wrong. Pedophilia doesn't need justification or camouflage among the far-right, it's just accepted, which is why right-wing institutions so reliably cover up for and protect child rapists. That is the predictable result of maintaining ideologies which necessarily require sexual ownership and guardianship while emphasizing authority and fecundity from the earliest possible age.

Your own argument defeats itself. If it was actually accepted it wouldn't need to be covered up.

It is however illustrative of the gap between our upper crust and our lower crust, irregardless of political affiliation

I wonder if the German pedo-professor and his Berlin enabler were acting in the open about this. Likewise for that school that was mentioned. I believe it was connected to the same sociologist?

Starting in the 1970s psychology professor Helmut Kentler conducted his "experiment." Homeless children in West Berlin were intentionally placed with pedophile men. These men would make especially loving foster parents, Kentler argued.

A study conducted by the University of Hildesheim has found that authorities in Berlin condoned this practice for almost 30 years. The pedophile foster fathers even received a regular care allowance.

Helmut Kentler (1928-2008) was in a leading position at Berlin's center for educational research. He was convinced that sexual contact between adults and children was harmless.

Berlin's child welfare offices and the governing Senate turned a blind eye or even approved of the placements.

This is just reminiscent of the UK migrant grooming gangs or Savile all over again. Thousands of politicians, police, councilors, academics, journalists, at best complicit in knowing what's going on and doing nothing about it, at worse actively involved in lending it monetary, legal and security support. Hell, we've even had MP interns reporting of buggery decades after. You guys seem to be more concerned with covering your bases on blue team vs red team mentality, when it's bloody clear the blue team and red team are on the same team. Hey remember that time the Pentagon found child pornography on government computers?

Any evidence for 'far-right' acceptance/normalising of pedophilia?

Alt-right homonationalist Milo Yiannopolous argued that pederasty is an important institution of Western civilisation, which got him dropped from the other alt-righters good graces

Does the average right-wing voter tacitly support pedophilia? Not really. But then, they don't need to. They just need to tacitly support maintaining the Old Boys Club or the extremist theorists, and those people do tacitly support pedophilia when they aren't committing it themselves. They just don't portray it as such.

I don't understand this pointlessly partisan attitude to anti-pedo. For years I've shitposted on this forum and even ITT about MP pedos, Security pedos, Finance pedos, Media pedos, Religious pedos, Academic pedos, and the peculiar strategies used to defend them - from hate speech laws to infiltration of vanguard causes. Some have been right wing, some have been left wing, some have just been thugs, matters not what they believe in if they are using their influence to rape children. If it is easy for me to point to the institutions I support and say "this building is full of child raping termites, rotting the institution from within," why then when it is revealed that networks of academics and politicians encouraged state-sanctioned pedophilia they get a pass because they used leftist rhetoric? BuT ConSeRVatIveS aRE thE rEAl PEdoPhIlES mindset is self-defeating. Donald Trump and Bill Clinton both knew Epstein. Tories and Labour both bricked the careers of their own MPs for trying to prosecute the migrant grooming gangs. Who cares whether the left hand or right hand is pimp slapping the face of society? Yet the attitude here from the start is "ignore all of these blue-team academic pedophiles, because these red-team priest pedophiles are red."

Bruh be purple, get em both

There's also the "politicians never tried for sex abuse in the 80s, despite mounds of evidence" from the UK, but is not overtly associated with a political affiliation, like the US rhetoric issue above.

It's actually worse than that, the mounds of evidence were destroyed

[Loud Whispers]

Engaging a child and expecting them to make mature decisions that hold life-altering consequences, such as pregnancy, stigma, the risk of (sometimes) permanent stds

Well not only those visibly consequences, there can also be psychological consequences we often downplay. For example, looking into it, when you have boys who have had sex with an adult woman often the boys don't express distress, and we go "see? they say they're not negatively affected, so it's not a big deal". In these cases they don't have pregnancy risk, most likely didn't get STDs, and the social stigma for this is basically zero.

Except they've done controlled analysis and those boys have worse outcomes on a number of scales than other boys. So whether or not someone says they're affected or thinks they were affected isn't the whole story.

Pretty interesting, did the studies come to any conclusions why they did worse?

[pisskop]

As somebody who has habitually favored older women (5-7 or so years on average, but as much as 2x age before), its because those women suck out your lifeforce with every thrust and every meal.

[Loud Whispers]

Also in unrelated news, absolute madlads have been setting fire to wheely bins to breathe in the fumes

[MetalSlimeHunt]

If it is easy for me to point to the institutions I support and say "this building is full of child raping termites, rotting the institution from within," why then when it is revealed that networks of academics and politicians encouraged state-sanctioned pedophilia they get a pass because they used leftist rhetoric? BuT ConSeRVatIveS aRE thE rEAl PEdoPhIlES mindset is self-defeating. Donald Trump and Bill Clinton both knew Epstein. Tories and Labour both bricked the careers of their own MPs for trying to prosecute the migrant grooming gangs.

So, all conservatives? 

Who cares whether the left hand or right hand is pimp slapping the face of society? Yet the attitude here from the start is "ignore all of these blue-team academic pedophiles, because these red-team priest pedophiles are red."

Bruh be purple, get em both

My essential response to this is that academia can reform itself, but the churches will keep on having rape clubs until acted upon by an outside force. The essential nature of the environment that allows rape clubs to form is conservative, and that the right-wing fecundity rhetoric leads to far more legalized pedophilia than rogue academics and philosophers. The ideas of the latter have never been accepted when the spotlight is on them, but the former? "Well, better than them turning gay surely, eh boys?" to raucous laughter.

For all that Kentler and company are horrible, there's probably a few who think like him in every conservative church, boomer club, or government association because of the inherent right-wing nature of those institutions creating a space for them to fester. The things these scum think in public are bad enough, but when you manage to scratch the surface? It's nearly beyond belief.

[TD1]

My essential response to this is that academia can reform itself, but the churches will keep on having rape clubs until acted upon by an outside force. The essential nature of the environment that allows rape clubs to form is conservative, and that the right-wing fecundity rhetoric leads to far more legalized pedophilia than rogue academics and philosophers. The ideas of the latter have never been accepted when the spotlight is on them, but the former? "Well, better than them turning gay surely, eh boys?" to raucous laughter.

For all that Kentler and company are horrible, there's probably a few who think like him in every conservative church, boomer club, or government association because of the inherent right-wing nature of those institutions creating a space for them to fester. The things these scum think in public are bad enough, but when you manage to scratch the surface? It's nearly beyond belief.

Yes the church has never been known to reform - oh wait.
Your assumption that academia is some powerhouse of self improvement is hopelessly inaccurate. And I'm a doctoral student.

I'm not sure if you're a proponent of unbridled leftist apologism or just really, really hate conservative values enough that you'll literally side with one crop of pedophiles against another.

I'll also note that I always believed right wing groups hated pedophilia. They are damaging to the double community - family (the real 'fecundity' in conservative ideology) and community.
Certainly, the only thing the UVF hated more than IRA scum was a kiddy fiddler.
But I suppose that goes to show you the nuance which is missing in your black and white, discriminative narrative of 'us vs. them'.

[Loud Whispers]

So, all conservatives? 

British conservatives no longer exist after Scruton hit the heavenly futon, all Conservatives care about these days are deregulating financial services and weakening labour laws. Environment, family, faith, justice, country, culture, buildings that don't look like shit, nah nah there's no need to do any actual conserving, just don't have kids and pay your taxes. That's all British values has left to defend, queueing and politeness

My essential response to this is that academia can reform itself, but the churches will keep on having rape clubs until acted upon by an outside force.
The essential nature of the environment that allows rape clubs to form is conservative, and that the right-wing fecundity rhetoric leads to far more legalized pedophilia than rogue academics and philosophers. The ideas of the latter have never been accepted when the spotlight is on them, but the former? "Well, better than them turning gay surely, eh boys?" to raucous laughter.

This is in essence the only thing I disagree with; academia is an institution like any other, and the recent examples in France, UK and Germany have demonstrably proven that the pedophile networks had absolutely no intention of reforming nor did their colleagues have any intention of actually dealing with them in a manner that wasn't supportive. The labour party and our academics number one priority with the child grooming gangs was always community cohesion and multiculturalism over law enforcement, and it continued to be so even after the Times went public. Not just academics, take a look at how the BBC closed ranks to cover up their own with the Savile, Gary Glitter cases e.t.c.

There is nothing magic about championing progressive causes that makes an institution immune to pedophiles, especially when there is evidence to the contrary - there are open pedophiles who have enjoyed and still continue to enjoy the favour of academia, like Harry Hay or Allen Ginsberg. Helmet Kentler was employed by the state an an expert witness regarding child abuse cases (of which he was proud to have observed all of the cases he testified in resulting in acquittals), was an open advocate of pedophilia who was given state funding and support to place children in the care of known pedophiles. What I am trying to show here is that academics who form the basis of Western disciplines like Ginsberg, Foucault, Derrida, Satre, Barthes de Beauvoir, Kentler and so on can openly endorse pedophilia, and still have not a single University disavow them.

Likewise it seems bizarre to keep to the partisan rhetoric when the two most recent scandals were labour-led and green party led pedophilia networks. Both labour party and green party are progressive, leftist parties. The ideas of the latter have been proven to have been accepted in the most recent scandal; and like Scriver before said, your argument defeats itself. If a General or a RW-politician or a priest deems fit to hide the fact that they are a pedophile from the rest of society, it is because they are scared of the consequences. If celebrated academics openly endorse pedophilia and run state-sanctioned pedophile networks in the open, publishing in detail their "research", then it is clear to anyone these people fear no judgement of opposing peers.

For all that Kentler and company are horrible, there's probably a few who think like him in every conservative church, boomer club, or government association because of the inherent right-wing nature of those institutions creating a space for them to fester. The things these scum think in public are bad enough, but when you manage to scratch the surface? It's nearly beyond belief.

I would like to point to my long track record of complaining about this exact phenomenon, in a desperate attempt to convince you this is not a case of "our pedos don't count." The existence of one does not disprove the other, the willingness to treat state-sanctioned pedophiles as "rogue" elements is however, a huge fucking problem

*EDIT

Yes the church has never been known to reform - oh wait.

Got a huge fucking chuckle out of me that did

Your assumption that academia is some powerhouse of self improvement is hopelessly inaccurate. And I'm a doctoral student.

Oh god the fucking dogma, I've had more balanced discussions with Maoist exchange students than an English student

I'll also note that I always believed right wing groups hated pedophilia. They are damaging to the double community - family (the real 'fecundity' in conservative ideology) and community.
Certainly, the only thing the UVF hated more than IRA scum was a kiddy fiddler.
But I suppose that goes to show you the nuance which is missing in your black and white, discriminative narrative of 'us vs. them'.

I would've thought the one thing that unified all conservative or RW or traditional or any other synonymous tag group across the world was known for, was a hatred of child abusers. I also just don't get the partisan us vs themenship, but I guess it's because we're not about to see a new civil war same way as the R VS B Americans are squaring up

To put my perspective into simple terms, it doesn't make sense to make it partisan, when it isn't for them. Liberal pedophile Cyril Smith was defended from prosecution by a senior Tory called Victor Montagu, who surprise surprise was a pedophile. How come they can close ranks, but normal people cannot?

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/29/armed-st-louis-homeowner-only-thing-stopped-crowd-my-rifle/

[martinuzz]

This is the Euro thread not the Ameripol thread.
Also, Breitbart, so probably fake news.

[Doomblade187]

Is real event, very biased take. (Though the protesters did force the gate, I think? Those gates aren't known for security?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/29/armed-st-louis-homeowner-only-thing-stopped-crowd-my-rifle/

"I didn't point the rifle at anybody"

>Proceeds to muzzle sweep the crowd and his wife, with finger on the trigger.

They're dumb and they should feel dumb. Hold guns, be outside, maybe drink some tea? Sure, cool, fine. Point rifle at protesters? That's how you fuckin incite.

[TD1]

This is the Euro thread not the Ameripol thread.
Also, Breitbart, so probably fake news.

Nah, it happened. Though you're right, wrong thread. Oops.
It's become a bit of a meme, even.

[pisskop]

They're dumb and they should feel dumb. Hold guns, be outside, maybe drink some tea? Sure, cool, fine. Point rifle at protesters? That's how you fuckin incite.

Never point a gun anywhere you arent prepared to fire it.

[Loud Whispers]

They're dumb and they should feel dumb. Hold guns, be outside, maybe drink some tea? Sure, cool, fine. Point rifle at protesters? That's how you fuckin incite.

Never point a gun anywhere you arent prepared to fire it.

Spoiler: Americans vs Brits (click to show/hide)

[martinuzz]

Unsurprisingly, the 300-something changes to the Russian Constitution were voted in.
Among the changes, Putin can now stay president until 2036, gays are not allowed to marry per the Constitution, religion is now a 'core value' of Russia, and Russian law now stands above international law.

Russian opposition had asked the people to not go and vote, because they consider the whole thing a farce, and also to prevent the spread of corona.