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[Doomblade187]

Many states that implement voter ID laws have a list of acceptable forms of ID, which is often used to boss the possible voter pool. For example, some states allow a concealed carry permit to be valid ID. In addition, even if the voting ID is "free", you often can't get it online, and the available locations are often only open during work hours.

[Iduno]

Many states that implement voter ID laws have a list of acceptable forms of ID, which is often used to boss the possible voter pool. For example, some states allow a concealed carry permit to be valid ID. In addition, even if the voting ID is "free", you often can't get it online, and the available locations are often only open during work hours.

Yeah, 2 forms of ID here to get an ID card, only available during business hours, only available in English, sometimes documents get "lost" repeatedly if you've got the wrong skin color. I think it only takes a month or two to get to you otherwise.

I don't think they'll let you get away with voting using just that ID, though. And they post armed police around the voting areas to intimidate potential voters.


Edit: A more interesting thing I've seen tried is elections only count if won by a certain percentage of the vote. Too many thing can go wrong with close votes, including fraud by voters or election officials.

[Iduno]

Happy Halloween Merry Xmas from the Royal Family.

[Reelya]

Well many countries run national ID schemes, which you have to use to vote, but which you get by default by virtue of having a citizenship. Like the passport, if you like. I.. honestly don't see it as a big deal, never understood why the idea is so unpopular in English-speaking countries...

Heck, why not use passports as ID, for that matter? Just asking

Passports are expensive. I'll cite some details about the American situation. relatively few Americans have them. There are several hundreds of dollars worth of fees to even get one. About half of Americans say they've never left the country, so only about half the nation even has a passport. It would be equivalent to a poll tax of several hundred dollars.
https://www.rushmypassport.com/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-get-a-passport/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealane/2019/05/02/percentage-of-americans-who-never-traveled-beyond-the-state-where-they-were-born-a-surprise/#750a91742898
^ greater than 50% of American don't have a passport. So it's a very bad idea to "just" use a passport, for America. I live in Australia, I don't have a passport either, and it would cost me about $300 to get one.

 If you look at the American statistics the sheer number of people lacking any proper ID is quite large. The Republicans like it because the people without ID tend to be in the Democrat voting camp: poor people, seniors, minorities, and women - due to things like marriage and divorce, so they're less likely to have cards with their "correct" name on it, and you can just bet the Republicans will be sticklers for not accepting your word on name changes when a black woman turns up to vote but it's in her maiden name or married name and she's changed status in the meantime.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The voter ID laws are bad, but even as incompetent as they are the Dems can work around with showering people with ID forms and petitioning through courts to accept any scrap of paper with a name on it that was at one point touched by a government official as voter ID. Plus the laws are discarded as unconstitutional by any non-Republican judge outright.

The real fucked thing is just not setting up polling places at all in areas where black people or students live, and oversaturating boomervilles with voting booths in every church, retirement home, and country club.

[TD1]

Hadn't heard that criticism. Wonder if there's a map out there.

[Doomblade187]

Hadn't heard that criticism. Wonder if there's a map out there.

Not quite a map, but I do have this article about an incident in Georgia: Article

In addition, many voting machines shipped to majority minority counties arrived without power cords, and despite long lines, they didn't even ship out all the machines. Granted, some of them are messed up, but it's still hella shady.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Well, anything with voting machines is automatically fucked anyway. Bush and co. are heavily connected to a company that makes them and there was some statistic along the lines that Bush didn't lose a single county in 04 that used the machines from that company. Everyone knows electronic machines can modify the count, which is why you have occasional incidents of Republicans frantically scrambling to order paper ballots destroyed in cases where both kinds are kept.

[Doomblade187]

Well, keeping the debate more in Georgia, our old, broken voting machines were originally proposed to be replaced with a paper ballot (very nice, yes, some machines related, but more secure) and somehow, a voting machine company that our governor's son works for got a multi-million contract for a non-paper based machine. :Bigthonk:

So yeah, voting machines are unreliable and great for giving government money to your buddies.

[martinuzz]

Happy New Year folks, and cheers to all of you for keeping the thread friendly and polite!

[Iduno]

Happy New Year folks, and cheers to all of you for keeping the thread friendly and polite!

And full of terrible jokes, as per the thread title.

[Loud Whispers]

EU are all wonderful

[Magistrum]

I still in awe of how the  french keep their uninterrupted protest going since the eighteenth century.

[Doomblade187]

I still in awe of how the  french keep their uninterrupted protest going since the eighteenth century.

Taking shifts on who's outraged helps maintain steam.