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[Great Order]

How bad are the working conditions?

And is it bad because of incompetence, lack of funds, or malice?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

For centuries people have been trying to destroy the UK, and then Boris goes and does it in just a couple months. Fucking legendary. I wonder if twenty years from now they'll say he was a German intelligence plant in the Enduring Survivor's Nation of England?

[ChairmanPoo]

How bad are the working conditions?

And is it bad because of incompetence, lack of funds, or malice?

I've never worked in the south nor do I want to so I can't talk from experience. I can tell you that the base wages are around 10-20% lower than elsewhere in the country (though to be fair the cost of living is also lower), they have shitty job security (worse than elsewhere), and the lack of doctors... well, in no small measure means that the ones that do stay have to pick up the slack :/  It's certainly not something attractive, and attractiveness in one way or the other, both between countries and within a country. 

To be fair there are "hard-to-cover areas" everywhere, normally remote areas. In other countries normally they provide cash incentives (I've gotten letters from the British NHS offering 25000 GBP as "golden handshakes"), elsewhere in Spain you get more job flexibility (if you're permanent or semipermanent there that is). In Andalusia  they mostly rely on penalties.

[Iduno]

So... I see that the "Take back democracy" idea had a line in fine print saying "So we could remove it ourselves"

That was supposed to be fine print?

[nenjin]

So the Queen still has to actually declare Prorogation? Does the Monarchy in fact want Brexit? Cause if they didn't, it seem easy to tell him "No." And if they do....there is still time for Parliament to hold a vote of No Confidence before Prorogation actually starts. Although I suppose doing that for a PM who has been sitting for like, what, 3 months would be unprecedented.

[TD1]

It's not easy to say no, because whilst the monarchy technically can, it opens a whole can of worms about how symbolic the monarchy is.

[Iduno]

Related.

https://twitter.com/The_Law_Boy/status/1166725602818351104

[ChairmanPoo]

In other news the Italian president apparently managed to negotiate a deal between M5S and the Democratic Party. So basically Salvini's push for no confidence and a new election will only result in him being kicked out of goverment

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/08/28/world/europe/italy-government-salvini.amp.html

[thompson]

In other news the Italian president apparently managed to negotiate a deal between M5S and the Democratic Party. So basically Salvini's push for no confidence and a new election will only result in him being kicked out of goverment

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/08/28/world/europe/italy-government-salvini.amp.html

What an idiot. I do love poetic justice.

[ChairmanPoo]

Well, kicked out for now. An alliance between those two parties is so fragile that a faint breeze could shatter it.

Still... populists, be they left or right wing, tend to ride a lot on faux strenght. When they stop steamrolling they tend to lose momentum very quickly.  Look at Ciudadanos in Spain. They went from being papable as potential first force to just fighting for third with the left wing populists of podemos, when their bluff was called

[Doomblade187]

Wait. 5 Star is run by a website admin?

Dear lord. He must be very happy.

[scourge728]

I'm honestly surprised they didn't do that thing where they just "forget" it's happening and they find out 200 years later that the u.k has been leaving the e.u for 200 years

EDIT: Also, what would happen legally speaking if England left the U.K, obviously that wouldn't happen but what if it did

[smjjames]

Isn’t there an automatic clause if they call for an election though? That at leas was one of the ‘very good reasons needed’ for a time extension that they’d only be willing to do an extension over. Though an attempt to call for a general election has gotten shot down.

Still, the extension is only for three months and I don’t see how they’d come up with something in that time frame because obviously they don’t want a no-deal Brexit, the current effort speaks volumes, but they can’t decide on what they want to do either. Unfortunately, limbo isn’t an option politically, legally, or economically (though I guess limbo would marginally be acceptable just for the consistency alone).

They could be trying to figure out a solution to the impasse (though I guess the current effort counts?), but instead are playing politics.

I'm honestly surprised they didn't do that thing where they just "forget" it's happening and they find out 200 years later that the u.k has been leaving the e.u for 200 years

EDIT: Also, what would happen legally speaking if England left the U.K, obviously that wouldn't happen but what if it did

Given that there’s a cost politically (particularly domestically in the U.K.), economically, and legally to staying in limbo, it’d be pretty hard to ‘forget’ that it’s happening.

Edit: You know, what would happen if the EU refused the request because it doesn’t count as a really good reason, unless they legally (or maybe diplomatically) can’t refuse? I wonder if they’ve considered that.

[TD1]

Refusing makes them look uber bad on the world stage, accepting makes them look gracious and allows the UK to make an even greater fool of itself than it already has.

Boris is going to have to go humiliate himself and the nation before the world at the behest of parliament.

Truly, if there was any shred of idealism left surrounding the notion of 'Great Britain' it is well and truly gone now.


Edit: Watching this unfold, knowing that it can't be blamed on a weak May-style PM, I legitimately just feel embarrassed by my parliament. Even humiliated. Have they no shame?

[Il Palazzo]

Motion to rename GB 'Rather Quite Large Britain'?