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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #9720 on: March 16, 2019, 07:50:03 am »

Britain already has King Arthur anyway.

He’s Welsh though, so either nobody would understand him or nobody would give a shit.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #9721 on: March 16, 2019, 07:54:40 am »

Ehhh depends on whether he existed. There's some very shaky evidence from Gildas concerning a Bear-man IIRC
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #9722 on: March 16, 2019, 09:20:04 am »

One corroborating piece of evidence is that the name Arthur didn't exist before, but suddenly became real, real popular in Scotland and Wales in the early 6th century for a short period. It later surged after Geoffrey of Monmouth's book in the 12th century, but there's that otherwise unexplained 6th century spike in popularity.

Pretty much every source agrees that he fought at the Battle of Badon, and secured a victory there. Earlier (than Geoffrey) sources say he fought with the British, as in alongside. The implication in those sources is that he wasn't Welsh, but was allied to them. Possibilities have been mentioned such as the Roman-allied Pictish tribes (who did in fact leg it south after the Romans left, since they were in the shit being attacked by Irish, other Picts and Germanic invaders). This is the coolest option clearly, that he was a Pictish warlord.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #9723 on: March 16, 2019, 10:11:00 pm »

Khagan Chav or Hooligan Khan?

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #9724 on: March 17, 2019, 01:03:38 pm »

One corroborating piece of evidence is that the name Arthur didn't exist before, but suddenly became real, real popular in Scotland and Wales in the early 6th century for a short period. It later surged after Geoffrey of Monmouth's book in the 12th century, but there's that otherwise unexplained 6th century spike in popularity.

Pretty much every source agrees that he fought at the Battle of Badon, and secured a victory there. Earlier (than Geoffrey) sources say he fought with the British, as in alongside. The implication in those sources is that he wasn't Welsh, but was allied to them. Possibilities have been mentioned such as the Roman-allied Pictish tribes (who did in fact leg it south after the Romans left, since they were in the shit being attacked by Irish, other Picts and Germanic invaders). This is the coolest option clearly, that he was a Pictish warlord.
How do we know the name was popular? What sources?
Also, assuming the name did have a spike in popularity, it doesn't mean much. A fictional figure could be given the name in retrospect, even through an oral tradition.
Or if the name was uncommon, an oral tradition could have popularised it.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #9725 on: March 17, 2019, 01:51:52 pm »

One corroborating piece of evidence is that the name Arthur didn't exist before, but suddenly became real, real popular in Scotland and Wales in the early 6th century for a short period. It later surged after Geoffrey of Monmouth's book in the 12th century, but there's that otherwise unexplained 6th century spike in popularity.

Pretty much every source agrees that he fought at the Battle of Badon, and secured a victory there. Earlier (than Geoffrey) sources say he fought with the British, as in alongside. The implication in those sources is that he wasn't Welsh, but was allied to them. Possibilities have been mentioned such as the Roman-allied Pictish tribes (who did in fact leg it south after the Romans left, since they were in the shit being attacked by Irish, other Picts and Germanic invaders). This is the coolest option clearly, that he was a Pictish warlord.
How do we know the name was popular? What sources?

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #9726 on: March 17, 2019, 01:53:52 pm »

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« Reply #9727 on: March 18, 2019, 07:27:17 am »

One corroborating piece of evidence is that the name Arthur didn't exist before, but suddenly became real, real popular in Scotland and Wales in the early 6th century for a short period. It later surged after Geoffrey of Monmouth's book in the 12th century, but there's that otherwise unexplained 6th century spike in popularity.

Pretty much every source agrees that he fought at the Battle of Badon, and secured a victory there. Earlier (than Geoffrey) sources say he fought with the British, as in alongside. The implication in those sources is that he wasn't Welsh, but was allied to them. Possibilities have been mentioned such as the Roman-allied Pictish tribes (who did in fact leg it south after the Romans left, since they were in the shit being attacked by Irish, other Picts and Germanic invaders). This is the coolest option clearly, that he was a Pictish warlord.
How do we know the name was popular? What sources?

According to one book I read, it's based on gravestones of nobles. The name was unknown but suddenly becomes a very popular name for lords to name their sons. But, not over a long time. it's stated in Wikipedia as occuring in the early 6th century AD, which would have been literally within living memory of the Battle of Badon.

A source for that information, but not the one I read, is a book cited on WikipediaMorris, John (1977). The Age of Arthur: A History of the British Isles from 350 to 650.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #9728 on: March 18, 2019, 08:55:16 am »

A shooting in a tram in Utrecht put the terror threat level in our country (or at least in the province of Utrecht) at level 5. It has never been raised to 5, this is a first time.
Multiple people were injured, and perhaps killed when an unknown assailant started shooting in a tram earlier today.
It is unclear yet if this was a terrorist attack, but according to our prime minister, it looks like it.
The shooter managed to get away and is still at large.
German police have deployed to dutch border crossings.

EDIT: The mayor of Utrecht now reports that 3 people were killed and 9 people were injured, of whom 3 are in critical condition.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/world/europe/utrecht-shooting-netherlands.html
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #9729 on: March 18, 2019, 10:15:34 am »

One corroborating piece of evidence is that the name Arthur didn't exist before, but suddenly became real, real popular in Scotland and Wales in the early 6th century for a short period. It later surged after Geoffrey of Monmouth's book in the 12th century, but there's that otherwise unexplained 6th century spike in popularity.

Pretty much every source agrees that he fought at the Battle of Badon, and secured a victory there. Earlier (than Geoffrey) sources say he fought with the British, as in alongside. The implication in those sources is that he wasn't Welsh, but was allied to them. Possibilities have been mentioned such as the Roman-allied Pictish tribes (who did in fact leg it south after the Romans left, since they were in the shit being attacked by Irish, other Picts and Germanic invaders). This is the coolest option clearly, that he was a Pictish warlord.
How do we know the name was popular? What sources?

According to one book I read, it's based on gravestones of nobles. The name was unknown but suddenly becomes a very popular name for lords to name their sons. But, not over a long time. it's stated in Wikipedia as occuring in the early 6th century AD, which would have been literally within living memory of the Battle of Badon.

A source for that information, but not the one I read, is a book cited on WikipediaMorris, John (1977). The Age of Arthur: A History of the British Isles from 350 to 650.
I've never come across English gravestones from that era before. It's unlikely to be Welsh (IIRC that era saw some written Welsh, but only relatively obscure poetry. Could be wrong though.) Assuming that it is English, why would they name their children after him? He just trounced them at Badon.

It seems more likely to me that, if the name was indeed more popular at that time, it informed the developing oral tradition of Arthur rather than was caused by it.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #9730 on: March 18, 2019, 10:21:24 am »

I'm Arthur and so is my wife!
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« Reply #9731 on: March 18, 2019, 10:23:10 am »

Timing of the terror attack in the Netherlandsis may not be a coincidence with elections in two days from now. Elections are for the provinces which will determine the composition of the senate. Political parties have said they wil stop campaigning except for baudet on the far right who has has announced he wil not stop his campaign, and will hold a campaign rally this evening
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« Reply #9732 on: March 18, 2019, 10:35:05 am »

How big of a player is the Baudet party? Or maybe that's just one candidate. Nvm, it's a surname, funnily enough, a French surname.
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« Reply #9733 on: March 18, 2019, 11:15:52 am »

Yeah, his political party is named " forum voor democratie " but the party is all about him, so he is often referred to by name. He is the only far right party competing. Wilders the more well known Dutch right wing politician has never really chosen to compete at this level of government. It's hard to say how influential baudet is, but Wilders has definitely lost momentum in the last few years, wouldn't be surprised if his party was wiped out by baudet in the years to come
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« Reply #9734 on: March 18, 2019, 11:17:35 am »

Yeah, his political party is named " forum voor democratie " but the party is all about him, so he is often referred to by name. He is the only far right party competing. Wilders the more well known Dutch right wing politician has never really chosen to compete at this level of government. It's hard to say how influential baudet is, but Wilders has definitely lost momentum in the last few years, wouldn't be surprised if his party was wiped out by baudet in the years to come
With the rise of Trump, Wilders no longer had the same standing as "Weird Hair Politician" as he once did.
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