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[Loud Whispers]

No that's Finland

[scriver]

*fist in pocket intensifies*

[ChairmanPoo]

*fist in pocket intensifies*

Excuse me sir, are you masturbating in public?

[WealthyRadish]

To be fair, I think the Danes are more open about that sort of thing.

[Loud Whispers]

To be fair, I think the Danes are more open about that sort of thing.

Just about what you'd expect from the Dutch

[misko27]

This thread is really living up to the "EU-related terrible jokes" name.

[scriver]

In the words of a famous american national skald: "Laughter's just another word for nothing left to loose"

[Loud Whispers]

A Brussels-controlled army itself is a pipe dream. And yet, it is easy for British Euroskeptics to raise the specter of the threat. In March 2015, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker advocated a common European army as a way to increase the EU’s standing on the world stage, not least in the eyes of Russia. Recent reports on a forthcoming defense white paper from Germany and EU High representative Federica Mogherini’s EU Global Strategy stoked scaremongering too.

>year is 2015
>pointing out people's brazen ambitions is scaremongering

>year is 2018
>everyone telling you to ignore their ambitions reveal their ambitions

Merkel joins Macron in calling for a ‘real, true European army’

>a plot twist to surprise fools

[Doomblade187]

>Brussels gets an army
>We have always been at war with [Insert Holdout here]

I mean, eh. It's probably just trying to centralize the european military commands, if I had to guess.

[Loud Whispers]

>Brussels gets an army
>We have always been at war with [Insert Holdout here]

I don't think a European army would even reach Moscow to be honest, I just don't see the likes of Juncker inspiring the same level of confidence and morale in his men the same way Hitler or Napoleon did. Thus to that end the biggest worry would be the EU taking the competent qualities of France, Italy & Poland and then slapping on additional layers of incompetence, bureaucracy, interservice rivalry, all to justify sending Eastern Europeans to die in pointless expeditions to achieve nothing (I guess giving a middle finger to US forces is an achievement). Maybe slap around Romania and the Visegrad slavs for being disobedient with their Euroforce, can't be German imperialists if it's a multilateral effort lel

I mean, eh. It's probably just trying to centralize the european military commands, if I had to guess.

The difference between forming a European army from scratch and forming one from integrated national militaries is simply a difference in logistics, not objective. The end result is a European army under one command which answers to the European Union, with the European nations ceasing to have any independent foreign policy, finally being secure in their status as a province of the EU.

[TD1]

I don't think a European army would even reach Moscow to be honest, I just don't see the likes of Juncker inspiring the same level of confidence and morale in his men the same way Hitler or Napoleon did. Thus to that end the biggest worry would be the EU taking the competent qualities of France, Italy & Poland and then slapping on additional layers of incompetence, bureaucracy, interservice rivalry, all to justify sending Eastern Europeans to die in pointless expeditions to achieve nothing (I guess giving a middle finger to US forces is an achievement). Maybe slap around Romania and the Visegrad slavs for being disobedient with their Euroforce, can't be German imperialists if it's a multilateral effort lel

Very much this.

[Doomblade187]

If the EU actually morphed into a federal governing body, do you think there would be more incentive to make the EU parliament more democratic?

[Maximum Spin]

If the EU actually morphed into a federal governing body, do you think there would be more incentive to make the EU parliament more democratic?

Based on historical experience with federal governing bodies, nope.

[scriver]

If the EU actually morphed into a federal governing body, do you think there would be more incentive to make the EU parliament more democratic?

Why in the world would it?

Well, unless you're the kind of person who thinks it would be democratic to delegate more power over the sheep to the wolves simply because they are more numerous.

[Doomblade187]

I ask because through my american viewpoint, the EU would feplace the national governing bodies as the highest law of the geographic area. Now, as the representatives for those bodies are elected, in a general speaking, would this tradition then transition to the new governing body?

Yes, I know they wouldn't want to hand over appointing power to the voters.