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[Antioch]

We have a reverse situation ongoing in the Netherlands compared to the US.
Where in the US, people high up could be in trouble for lying that they did not have Russian contacts...
Over here, our minister of foreign affairs, Halbe Zijlstra, is in danger of being removed from office because he lied about having met Putin, while in fact he did not.

(In 2016, he bragged about being present at a meeting in Putin's resort, and kept up the lie until exposed yesterday.)

I have always found Zijlstra a tool, but this time he has really outdone himself.

[Loud Whispers]

Why even make this lie? It would be readily easy to verify its veracity

[hector13]

Is meeting Putin a requisite quality you guys want in a foreign affairs minister? Elsewise it seems like a pretty stupid thing to lie about, not knowing any other context.

[Culise]

Is meeting Putin a requisite quality you guys want in a foreign affairs minister? Elsewise it seems like a pretty stupid thing to lie about, not knowing any other context.

To be fair, the job of most foreign affairs ministers includes meeting with foreign heads of state, Putin included. But indeed, foreign contacts are a plus for foreign affairs, so long as they aren't too...err, close.  After all, most foreign affairs don't include foreign affairs.

[smjjames]

Is meeting Putin a requisite quality you guys want in a foreign affairs minister? Elsewise it seems like a pretty stupid thing to lie about, not knowing any other context.

To be fair, the job of most foreign affairs ministers includes meeting with foreign heads of state, Putin included.

I'd guess it's more an issue of trust and the PMs confidence that the FM is doing their job.

[martinuzz]

Our lying minister hasn't been removed from office yet. If it doesn't happen this week, he is going to a planned meeting with Lavrov in Moscow.
Meanwhile, the Russian ministry of foreign affairs has stated that the Russian-Dutch bilateral relations are being "overshadowed by an unprecedented anti-Russia campaign in the Dutch media", without giving any concrete examples.
Furthermore they complained about the verdict byt the International Arbitrage Court in The Hague, which has convicted Russia to pay 5.4 million euros for the illegal seizing and chaining of the Greenpeace ship Arctic Sunrise, and the illegal detention of it's crew of 30, back in september 2013.

Not sure why they want to complain to our foreign minister about that. The court isn't Dutch, it's international, it's just based in The Hague.

[martinuzz]

Okay, he resigned. Hopefully to replaced with someone more trustworthy.
Or even more hopefully, this will bring down our new government and give us new elections
But the latter is false hope.

[Sheb]

Okay, he resigned. Hopefully to replaced with someone more trustworthy.
Or even more hopefully, this will bring down our new government and give us new elections
But the latter is false hope.

You reall want one more year of coalition talk?

[martinuzz]

Yes, most definitly. The last thing our country needs right now is our current neo-con government.

[Loud Whispers]

Royal Navy detonates a 500kg present from the Germans on the river Thames

[Bralbaard]

Yes, most definitly. The last thing our country needs right now is our current neo-con government.

I agree, there is also some hope that people start seeing a pattern in all the vvd ministers stepping down over various scandals, with some luck they would not end up as the largest party for once.

[Antioch]

We have a reverse situation ongoing in the Netherlands compared to the US.
Where in the US, people high up could be in trouble for lying that they did not have Russian contacts...
Over here, our minister of foreign affairs, Halbe Zijlstra, is in danger of being removed from office because he lied about having met Putin, while in fact he did not.

(In 2016, he bragged about being present at a meeting in Putin's resort, and kept up the lie until exposed yesterday.)

Well by now Zijlstra resigned and prime minister Rutte survived a vote of no confidence with 43 to 101.

Pretty sharp contrast to the USA where Trump just continues to lie his ass off and nobody cares.

[Loud Whispers]

Royal Navy detonates a 500kg present from the Germans on the river Thames

You know, that reminded me, I need to visit London again someday. Last time I actually stopped there was years back, and that was the visit the Museum of Natural History (Big enough to last the day). Only time besides that I barely remember, beyond going on the London Eye.

Oh yeah London is the dankest museum place in the world. All those free museums and more looted shit than a freeboota's spehss hulk

[TD1]

All sewn together by Cleo's needle.

[martinuzz]

Reuters article on the Dutch minster resigning: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-russia/dutch-minister-to-face-parliament-over-false-putin-claim-idUSKBN1FX1FG