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[martinuzz]

maslaughter has intent, or at least the accepted risk to kill, just not premeditated

[MetalSlimeHunt]

There's also various sliding concerns with mitigating and aggravating factors in US murder law.  For example, if a long abused older teenager plots and murders their abusive parent, that's technically first degree murder, but if the severity of what they suffered and their mindset is bad enough you as a prosecuting attorney are gonna have one hell of a time standing up before a jury and convincing them that this is a 25-to-Life worthy action. They could well dismiss the charge no matter the clarity of the evidence against the defendant out of sympathy or flat out agreement. So you might drop the level of charge to manslaughter, or even criminal negligence to have a better shot at getting past arguments that they suffered extreme provocation.

There was also recently an example of how things can go very wrong for an overzealous prosecutor in the Garcia Zarate case, where seeking a second-degree murder and manslaughter charge in a case where messing around with a gun caused a ricochet that killed the victim lead to the jury dismissing every charge but possession of a stolen firearm.                           

[Loud Whispers]

There's also various sliding concerns with mitigating and aggravating factors in US murder law.  For example, if a long abused older teenager plots and murders their abusive parent, that's technically first degree murder, but if the severity of what they suffered and their mindset is bad enough you as a prosecuting attorney are gonna have one hell of a time standing up before a jury and convincing them that this is a 25-to-Life worthy action. They could well dismiss the charge no matter the clarity of the evidence against the defendant out of sympathy or flat out agreement. So you might drop the level of charge to manslaughter, or even criminal negligence to have a better shot at getting past arguments that they suffered extreme provocation.

There was also recently an example of how things can go very wrong for an overzealous prosecutor in the Garcia Zarate case, where seeking a second-degree murder and manslaughter charge in a case where messing around with a gun caused a ricochet that killed the victim lead to the jury dismissing every charge but possession of a stolen firearm.                         

Garcia Zarate told ABC station KGO-TV in a jailhouse interview that he started wandering on Pier 14, a tourist attraction area at the Embarcadero waterfront district, Wednesday, July 1, after taking sleeping pills he found in a dumpster. He said he then picked up a gun that he found.

Lmao what the actual hell

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Yeah, whether or not he stole the gun from the Land Management vehicle (this is LA we're talking about here, finding a stashed gun is not unbelievable) he definitely had it. The woman getting shot was certainly criminally negligent, but it's too much of an accidental outcome for manslaughter to be a safe bet and it's definitely not murder. Having the murder charge probably also made the jury distrustful of the prosecution's motives, combined with Trump politicizing the hell out of the case. Both of those are likely why they ended up turning against the manslaughter charge as well.

[martinuzz]

For example, if a long abused older teenager plots and murders their abusive parent, that's technically first degree murder, but if the severity of what they suffered and their mindset is bad enough you as a prosecuting attorney are gonna have one hell of a time standing up before a jury and convincing them that this is a 25-to-Life worthy action. They could well dismiss the charge no matter the clarity of the evidence against the defendant out of sympathy or flat out agreement. So you might drop the level of charge to manslaughter, or even criminal negligence to have a better shot at getting past arguments that they suffered extreme provocation.                         

Over here that example would most likely lead to a conviction of murder in the first degree, but with a complete discharge of punsihment or other legal consequence, on basis of psychological circumstances beyond the defendant's control.
For example there was this case of a 15 year old girl stabbing her physically absive brother to death after he kicked her in the stomach. This happened while she was pregnant from her father's sexual abuse. She was convicted of first degree murder because she premeditatedly went and grabbed a butcher knife from the kitchen and gutted her brother, but she received no sentence, and her criminal record was immediatly cleared.

[redwallzyl]

For example, if a long abused older teenager plots and murders their abusive parent, that's technically first degree murder, but if the severity of what they suffered and their mindset is bad enough you as a prosecuting attorney are gonna have one hell of a time standing up before a jury and convincing them that this is a 25-to-Life worthy action. They could well dismiss the charge no matter the clarity of the evidence against the defendant out of sympathy or flat out agreement. So you might drop the level of charge to manslaughter, or even criminal negligence to have a better shot at getting past arguments that they suffered extreme provocation.                         

Over here that example would most likely lead to a conviction of murder in the first degree, but with a complete discharge of punsihment or other legal consequence, on basis of psychological circumstances beyond the defendant's control.
For example there was this case of a 15 year old girl stabbing her physically absive brother to death after he kicked her in the stomach. This happened while she was pregnant from her father's sexual abuse. She was convicted of first degree murder because she premeditatedly went and grabbed a butcher knife from the kitchen and gutted her brother, but she received no sentence, and her criminal record was immediatly cleared.

I'm a bit surprised she didn't gut her dad as well.

[smjjames]

So, the British royal wedding coming up is causing a bit of political drama with the government. Obama is being invited to the wedding and I'm sure all of you know how Trump feels about Obama, so, they're worried that it'll upset Trump and make it harder for Theresa May to engage with Trump.

If anybody complains that its an article on The Sun, that's what Politico gave a link to.

[Loud Whispers]

Tbh why should Harry give a shit. Let him invite his friends to his wedding. If Theresa May was really concerned about maintaining good relations with Trump she wouldn't have started a fucking twitter feud with him, the Royals should not have to pick up her slack.

*EDIT
Obvious solution: Invite them both. Barack could show up and celebrate his m8s wedding, Trump could make an excuse to not arrive and send one of his family to represent him instead if he'd be too salto to behave.

[Fniff]

Trump could make an excuse to not arrive and send one of his family to represent him instead if he'd be too salto to behave.

This is just in, President Trump has declared war on the United Kingdom after the Queen made a joke about Trump Steaks.
The president then enacted the nuclear option, forgetting that he was still in Britain until it was too late. Cardiff and Swansea have just been hit, with more to follow.
That's it from us, and most likely humanity.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It's too late to appease Trump, I think. May is already on the wheatlist no matter what happens.

[Magistrum]

Seems really weird to think about pleasing Trump, since it seems so obvious that every other leader does not respect him.

[Helgoland]

Nobody mentioned "GOVERNMENT mandarins are urging Prince Harry not to invite the Obamas to his wedding for fear of infuriating Donald Trump" yet?

[Teneb]

Nobody mentioned "GOVERNMENT mandarins are urging Prince Harry not to invite the Obamas to his wedding for fear of infuriating Donald Trump" yet?

They obviously mean the chinese bureaucracy that not-so-secretly tries to control the world.

[Loud Whispers]

Nobody mentioned "GOVERNMENT mandarins are urging Prince Harry not to invite the Obamas to his wedding for fear of infuriating Donald Trump" yet?

It's more this kind of mandarin, unfortunately the Whitehall mandarin doesn't grow on trees or give you vitamin C

It's too late to appease Trump, I think. May is already on the wheatlist no matter what happens.

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[Helgoland]

Aw, nobody getting the joke about the Tangerine in Chief?