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[hector13]

No, I don't think you're joking. It's a ludicrous idea to be sure, but a very common one throughout history when people have let themselves conflate contempt with intellectualism.

Who said anything about intellectualism?

I agree, it sounded more like it was about gleeful murder.

Nah, hopeful xenophobia. Unwashed is undefined, but one can assume they likely didn’t include themselves in what they meant.

[Maximum Spin]

I'm not unwashed, of course, I keep very clean. Anyone else is fair game.

[Trekkin]

No, I don't think you're joking. It's a ludicrous idea to be sure, but a very common one throughout history when people have let themselves conflate contempt with intellectualism.

Who said anything about intellectualism?

No one yet, but people who maintain that Those People Should All Die have historically put forth the argument that they are intellectually superior to Those People when pressed for a reason to justify genocide. Often, it's used to explain how Those People have no future anyway, so killing them en masse is hardly murder and in fact better for the Real People who might actually make something of themselves and so a good thing on balance.

Basically, when people look around their basement and realize they're the smartest (read: only) person they've seen today, they start crying for the blood of those weird people outside and calling themselves smart and sophisticated and resolute for doing so. There's always someone doing it, and proudly. We're always one hue and cry away from genocide.

So no, I'm not surprised, or shocked, or possessed of the belief you're joking. Just profoundly disappointed.

[Egan_BW]

I'm not unwashed, of course, I keep very clean. Anyone else is fair game.

Ah, the good old "every human except me should die."

[martinuzz]

Puigdemont and 5 of his ministers have fled to Brussels, and according to Catalonian media, will apply for political asylum in Belgium, to escape standing trial for rebellion, which can get them 30 (to 40?) years in prison.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/catalaanse-leider-puigdemont-en-vijf-ministers-in-brussel-voor-politiek-asiel~a4526410/

[Dorsidwarf]

Redwall's post didnt sound like "Abolish all borders" to me. I read it as "People should try to get along better rather than marking out their lines in the sand and saying "MINE! all MINE! NOBODY ELSE can tell me what do do with it""

[scriver]

People: We don't want to be governed by Government any more, we want to govern ourselves. We're holding this democratic vote to see if we have enough support among the People to declare independence from them.
Government: No you won't! *sends in military police*
People: *900 people are injured*
Redwall: "You People really should try and get along better with Government and help them out. Nothing good comes from drawing lines in the sand."
900 injured People:

[redwallzyl]

People: We don't want to be governed by Government any more, we want to govern ourselves. We're holding this democratic vote to see if we have enough support among the People to declare independence from them.
Government: No you won't! *sends in military police*
People: *900 people are injured*
Redwall: "You People really should try and get along better with Government and help them out. Nothing good comes from drawing lines in the sand."
900 injured People:

Okay people, stop using this shitty debate tactic. taking a general quote out of context and assuming it means a specific thing in a extreme form. It is a really annoying thing that people do and its ticking me off.

[Maximum Spin]

Maybe try framing your arguments better? 

[scriver]

How is that out of context of the discussion? The discussion was about Catalonia.

[redwallzyl]

Maybe try framing your arguments better? 

Because it wasn't an argument, just a statement.

How is that out of context of the discussion? The discussion was about Catalonia.

Because I never specified any specific group and you just assumed the most convenient interpretation to attempt to discredit my statement.

[scriver]

Ah, so you just happened to say something stupid completely apropos nothing, and that it looks exactly like something said in the context of the Catalonia discussion is just pure coincidence. Okay, that's cool. I hear you.

[smjjames]

Puigdemont and 5 of his ministers have fled to Brussels, and according to Catalonian media, will apply for political asylum in Belgium, to escape standing trial for rebellion, which can get them 30 (to 40?) years in prison.

https://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/catalaanse-leider-puigdemont-en-vijf-ministers-in-brussel-voor-politiek-asiel~a4526410/

He's also saying that he's not applying for asylum and escaping justice, just trying to speak freely, and keeping his options open. Sounds like he is trying to not look like Yanukovich and escape justice whole at the same time abandoning his country. Trying to balance the optics of it.

@scriver: He was complaining about Madrid choosing to create further division rather than trying to work with the Catalans to address their grievances. It just ended up being said in a way that got misunderstood, I don't think he was talking about borders here neccesarily.

[Sheb]

Our minister of immigration, who is from the nationalist separatist flemish party invited him as a PR coup.

[smjjames]

I had seen that actually. Thought it was a little odd that Belgium would offer asylum since Brussels (in Belgium!) is the seat of the EU and the EU wants nothing to do with the Catalan crisis.

I also saw somewhere that a Belgian MP (I think it was Belgian) was doing some resolution to allow separatists of EU countries to stay in the EU, or something like that. Seemed like a preemptive move in case Belgium split into two.