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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7125 on: October 27, 2017, 02:16:59 pm »

TBH you'd have to ask the guys who wrote the law in 1995. That being said, the Spanish term ("tumultuoso" ->"tumulto") is defined as "mutiny, noisy gathering by a crowd ("Motín, confusión, alboroto producido por una multitud.")

TBH it would technically qualify as they have called for demonstrations in defense of independence, which, with independence being illegal under Spanish legislation), which could be regarded as "tumults"

http://noticias.juridicas.com/base_datos/Penal/lo10-1995.l2t22.html
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« Reply #7126 on: October 27, 2017, 02:24:59 pm »

Sounds like a somewhat ambigous definition of riot, which is a word that people can sometimes misuse. The use of the word 'turbulently' just sounds a little odd in english to the layman since it's not used in that way.

edit: Actually, that would fit a more archaic use of the word since the meaning used by Spain matches the older latin word more closely than the modern english. Makes sense since Spanish has Latin roots while English has Germanic roots, but it absorbed a lot of latin stuff too.

The definition of mutiny though is 'an open rebellion against authority or a refusal to obey the orders of an authority. (particularily applied to sailors and soldiers, but could be used anywhere)', which certainly fits what the Catalonians are doing, they're rebelling.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7127 on: October 27, 2017, 03:10:45 pm »

Yes you're right it didn't have anything to do with brexit, I'm being silly because meds.

Varmland/Warmia, is that like out in the sticks? Like Rural rural?

It's a bit out, but not rural rural relative to Swedish conditions:

This isn't something that happened only because they're "out in the sticks", though. The police in Sweden is practically falling apart (I've ranted here before about the consequences of the horribly misguided attempt at reorganisation they started 5 half a decade or so back) and can't cover even more populated areas - I remember linking here when a school, after a burglary, were told that no officers would show up and to "look for evidence and put it in bags" themselves. That same no-help scenario has repeated itself several times in the media since then, at that.

Also I realised in hindsight I mixed it's latino-English name up with the Polish province of Warmia, the correct latini-englishisation ought to be something like Wermalandia or Varmalandia or similar.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7128 on: October 27, 2017, 06:57:02 pm »

I can also reveal that it is lovely, sirs, lovely, in Värmland. Well. While the Law remains. It is not terribly rural, not by local measures. Not enough to excuse this horrid scandal.

Yes, the police crisis continues, while the courts are also being rather rickety and unreliable. The state seems to have forgotten that its existance relies entirely on the ability to execute its power and its laws.
I shall flog another chipped old hobby-horse of mine, and state that a large part of this problem in particular is yet another disasterous consequence of capitol politics; since most offices of importance are run in Stockholm (the capitol of the country), and run entirely by Stockholmers, the nation has been reduced to Stockholm & Adjoining Bits of No Importance. They cannot see beyond the needs of the main city, they do not understand how consolidating all power directly to the centre is causing terrible harm to a country that is much larger than it looks on their maps, or the few glimpses they might catch from the window of an aeroplane.
In their mind, the provinces do not need full police coverage. Surely. Hardly anyone lives there, do they? Perhaps a few red-necked knuckle-heads that did not have the sense to move, who drink too much, drive too much and have disagreeable opinions. So, it makes perfect sense to consolidate all administration, and most of the national assets, to the City. Of course, it does not actually make sense to put direct responsibility of overseeing a particular function on someone that does not live there, and never visits.

One wonders if it is not about time to begin forming militias. There is precident, mind. There used to be local law enforcement. While it was not perfect, it was there. I doubt the capitol would notice, nor have the power to put a stop to it if they did.

That would be authoritarian.

Catalonia is a fascinating series of events. One worries, but it is terribly intriguing. At this point, it is difficult to blame the Catalonians for wanting to manage their own affairs. They really ought to have been given a better lot than this.
Perhaps Geatish independence could also be an idea? Dare we dream?
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« Reply #7129 on: October 27, 2017, 07:15:50 pm »

Is the police department in Sweden like, federalized or something? Here it's all local (city/town based, with county sheriffs), though state based police do exist. Federal 'police' as they exist are the FBI, Immigration Customs Enforcement, ATF.

Just seems like a really strange thing to weaken police forces like that. No wonder Sweden has so many problems with immigrants, there's nobody around to enforce the law if they cause problems.
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« Reply #7130 on: October 27, 2017, 07:16:16 pm »

would you say the country has stockholm syndrome
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« Reply #7131 on: October 27, 2017, 07:32:49 pm »

Catalonia is a fascinating series of events. One worries, but it is terribly intriguing. At this point, it is difficult to blame the Catalonians for wanting to manage their own affairs. They really ought to have been given a better lot than this.
Perhaps Geatish independence could also be an idea? Dare we dream?
Noting good comes of drawing lines between people. We should be coming together and helping each other not carving out everyone's own little bit of us and them.
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« Reply #7132 on: October 27, 2017, 07:44:14 pm »

Catalonia is a fascinating series of events. One worries, but it is terribly intriguing. At this point, it is difficult to blame the Catalonians for wanting to manage their own affairs. They really ought to have been given a better lot than this.
Perhaps Geatish independence could also be an idea? Dare we dream?
Noting good comes of drawing lines between people. We should be coming together and helping each other not carving out everyone's own little bit of us and them.
You mean by conquest or would you prefer we just programmed the death bots to eat everyone's brains and make an overmind?
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7133 on: October 27, 2017, 08:05:37 pm »

Is the police department in Sweden like, federalized or something? Here it's all local (city/town based, with county sheriffs), though state based police do exist. Federal 'police' as they exist are the FBI, Immigration Customs Enforcement, ATF.

Just seems like a really strange thing to weaken police forces like that. No wonder Sweden has so many problems with immigrants, there's nobody around to enforce the law if they cause problems.

To a degree, yes. It has been since large reforms took place in the 1960's. Before then, it was carried out by more localised districts. While this hampered co-operation and joint administration, of course, it ment that the communes that could muster a local police force did so. What has happened recently is that it has been federalised and centralised further, into large regional blocks, all run centrally from the capital administration.

A federal police corps makes sense on paper for a small country. However, countries tend to be much bigger than they look on paper, as it were. The United States of America is, of course, a very large country with very specialised needs throughout the different states and counties, but the principle is the same: it would hamper police work greatly if they were all run and managed from Washington D.C., with lesser insight in those particular local needs than necessary.

Of course, this is a large part why there are severe immigration difficulties. The reason why there is a large, growing segment of illegal residents in the country (many of whom commit crime, many of whom are victims to crime) is because the police are not capable of apprehending and deporting them reliably. That, coupled with the much too lenient sentences produced by the courts (sometimes fuelled by misguided passion than concerns for safety, seems to be the trend), has contributed greatly to the difficulties. Along, of course, with the strange aversion of recent years amongst the elected governments to exorcise authority. Well, well...

would you say the country has stockholm syndrome

Heh. Yes, to a degree, a lot of local potentates have been far too eager over the years to listen wholeheartedly to plans from the capitol. One thing to note is that the Stockholm Syndrome is somewhat of a misunderstanding. The kidnap-victims of that case (a botched bank robbery) were not particularly sympathetic towards the robbers, as much as they were unsympathetic to how the police disregarded their safety. The idea that they effectively joined sides with the robbers is apocryphical, but a good story always endures. It makes the analogy far more apt, in a manner of speaking.

Catalonia is a fascinating series of events. One worries, but it is terribly intriguing. At this point, it is difficult to blame the Catalonians for wanting to manage their own affairs. They really ought to have been given a better lot than this.
Perhaps Geatish independence could also be an idea? Dare we dream?
Noting good comes of drawing lines between people. We should be coming together and helping each other not carving out everyone's own little bit of us and them.

It was in jest, naturally. That idea would be impossible, unprecedented and quite foolish.

Nonetheless, I disagree. If it would work, it would be fantastic if mankind could and would join together into a greater whole, a global state, perhaps beyond, that worked together for the better of everyone. This, however, rarely happens. And when a region is treated poorly and not given its fair share of the agreement, it is no wonder that it would rather be alone than in bad company. Further, I believe a degree of lines will always be necessary, as long as there are men who will not play nicely, and take more and give less than their share. It is an ideal, one worth contemplating but one that would not survive its construction; it is much too cracked to stand.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7134 on: October 27, 2017, 08:22:14 pm »

Catalonia is a fascinating series of events. One worries, but it is terribly intriguing. At this point, it is difficult to blame the Catalonians for wanting to manage their own affairs. They really ought to have been given a better lot than this.
Perhaps Geatish independence could also be an idea? Dare we dream?
Noting good comes of drawing lines between people. We should be coming together and helping each other not carving out everyone's own little bit of us and them.

That's why you opened up your house for anyone to sleep in, your fridge for anyone to eat from, and your yard for anyone to park in, right?


Is the police department in Sweden like, federalized or something? Here it's all local (city/town based, with county sheriffs), though state based police do exist. Federal 'police' as they exist are the FBI, Immigration Customs Enforcement, ATF.

Just seems like a really strange thing to weaken police forces like that. No wonder Sweden has so many problems with immigrants, there's nobody around to enforce the law if they cause problems.

I'm not entirely certain because I neither completely understand the American system not have a super clear image of our own, but I think you could say, while keeping in mind the size differences between the US and Sweden (No such things as states here, for example), that we used to have a fairly decentralised police system. For example, one of the goals of the reconstruction was to lower the amount of agencies the police was made up of. Now we have a very centralized system instead.

Another example of the police crisis is that made the headlines recently is that during the reorganisation they wanted to make the police "more efficient" by decreasing the amount of specialised crime units, moving for example murder, assaults and attacks, sexual violence and so on into one "violent crime" group, presumably under the genius notion that if there were more police in one group more crimes would be investigated. Of course, this only led to "lesser" violent crimes such as rape and sexual assault being put on the back burner in favour of focusing the entire workforce on grave violence such as murders, shootings, gang wars and such. So now it's even more pointless to go to the police if you were raped because the police won't even have time to look at your case.


I can also reveal that it is lovely, sirs, lovely, in Värmland. Well. While the Law remains. It is not terribly rural, not by local measures. Not enough to excuse this horrid scandal.

Yes, the police crisis continues, while the courts are also being rather rickety and unreliable. The state seems to have forgotten that its existance relies entirely on the ability to execute its power and its laws.
I shall flog another chipped old hobby-horse of mine, and state that a large part of this problem in particular is yet another disasterous consequence of capitol politics; since most offices of importance are run in Stockholm (the capitol of the country), and run entirely by Stockholmers, the nation has been reduced to Stockholm & Adjoining Bits of No Importance. They cannot see beyond the needs of the main city, they do not understand how consolidating all power directly to the centre is causing terrible harm to a country that is much larger than it looks on their maps, or the few glimpses they might catch from the window of an aeroplane.
In their mind, the provinces do not need full police coverage. Surely. Hardly anyone lives there, do they? Perhaps a few red-necked knuckle-heads that did not have the sense to move, who drink too much, drive too much and have disagreeable opinions. So, it makes perfect sense to consolidate all administration, and most of the national assets, to the City. Of course, it does not actually make sense to put direct responsibility of overseeing a particular function on someone that does not live there, and never visits.

One wonders if it is not about time to begin forming militias. There is precident, mind. There used to be local law enforcement. While it was not perfect, it was there. I doubt the capitol would notice, nor have the power to put a stop to it if they did.

That would be authoritarian.

Catalonia is a fascinating series of events. One worries, but it is terribly intriguing. At this point, it is difficult to blame the Catalonians for wanting to manage their own affairs. They really ought to have been given a better lot than this.
Perhaps Geatish independence could also be an idea? Dare we dream?

http://www.gd.se/kultur/katarina-ostholm-hela-sverige-kan-inte-leva-vi-har-inte-rad-med-alla-bidragsslukande-stodomraden
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7135 on: October 27, 2017, 08:27:56 pm »

Catalonia is a fascinating series of events. One worries, but it is terribly intriguing. At this point, it is difficult to blame the Catalonians for wanting to manage their own affairs. They really ought to have been given a better lot than this.
Perhaps Geatish independence could also be an idea? Dare we dream?
Noting good comes of drawing lines between people. We should be coming together and helping each other not carving out everyone's own little bit of us and them.

That's why you opened up your house for anyone to sleep in, your fridge for anyone to eat from, and your yard for anyone to park in, right?
That's a fallacy and you know it.
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« Reply #7136 on: October 27, 2017, 08:32:00 pm »

Well, provinces are equivalent to states, right? When you boil it down, they're both adminstrative regions.

http://www.gd.se/kultur/katarina-ostholm-hela-sverige-kan-inte-leva-vi-har-inte-rad-med-alla-bidragsslukande-stodomraden

*reads article in english via google translate*

Ah yes, that rural/urban divide.

Catalonia is a fascinating series of events. One worries, but it is terribly intriguing. At this point, it is difficult to blame the Catalonians for wanting to manage their own affairs. They really ought to have been given a better lot than this.
Perhaps Geatish independence could also be an idea? Dare we dream?
Noting good comes of drawing lines between people. We should be coming together and helping each other not carving out everyone's own little bit of us and them.

That's why you opened up your house for anyone to sleep in, your fridge for anyone to eat from, and your yard for anyone to park in, right?
That's a fallacy and you know it.

It's a reference to the schengen border stuff that the EU has.
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« Reply #7137 on: October 27, 2017, 08:38:20 pm »


Catalonia is a fascinating series of events. One worries, but it is terribly intriguing. At this point, it is difficult to blame the Catalonians for wanting to manage their own affairs. They really ought to have been given a better lot than this.
Perhaps Geatish independence could also be an idea? Dare we dream?
Noting good comes of drawing lines between people. We should be coming together and helping each other not carving out everyone's own little bit of us and them.

That's why you opened up your house for anyone to sleep in, your fridge for anyone to eat from, and your yard for anyone to park in, right?
That's a fallacy and you know it.

It's a reference to the schengen border stuff that the EU has.

That doesn't really have any effect on whether or not it's a fallacy.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7138 on: October 27, 2017, 08:44:32 pm »

Catalonia is a fascinating series of events. One worries, but it is terribly intriguing. At this point, it is difficult to blame the Catalonians for wanting to manage their own affairs. They really ought to have been given a better lot than this.
Perhaps Geatish independence could also be an idea? Dare we dream?
Noting good comes of drawing lines between people. We should be coming together and helping each other not carving out everyone's own little bit of us and them.

That's why you opened up your house for anyone to sleep in, your fridge for anyone to eat from, and your yard for anyone to park in, right?
That's a fallacy and you know it.

It's a joke at your expense.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7139 on: October 27, 2017, 08:48:34 pm »

Well, provinces are equivalent to states, right? When you boil it down, they're both adminstrative regions.
There are immense differences in authority and respect for the provinces of a unitary state and the states of a federation. As we're now seeing in Catalonia. The US government doesn't have the authority to dissolve a state government in perpetuity, ever. At best, an armed rebellion leads to temporary military administration and then reconstruction.
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