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[hector13]

Well... shit.

Stay safe, Catalonia.

[smjjames]

UK says that they will not recognize Catalan independence. Their reasoning is that it was done via a vote that was deemed illegal and not well founded in law.

[Antioch]

UK says that they will not recognize Catalan independence. Their reasoning is that it was done via a vote that was deemed illegal and not well founded in law.

Ironically the vote that let to brexit was only an advisory referendum so had zero legal binding as well.

[smjjames]

And neither was the Scottish independence referendum which was more of a reaction to brexit than anything else.

[Culise]

UK says that they will not recognize Catalan independence. Their reasoning is that it was done via a vote that was deemed illegal and not well founded in law.

Ironically the vote that let to brexit was only an advisory referendum so had zero legal binding as well.

Less ironic than rain on your wedding day; the Brexit referendum itself was not actively illegal under the laws of the UK or the EU.  Same with the Scottish independence referendum, assuming you're discussing the 2014 one that was actually carried out; if Westminster had prohibited an independence referendum and the SNP carried through regardless, that may have been otherwise, but as it stands, it is not particularly ironic or hypocritical. 

[hector13]

And neither was the Scottish independence referendum which was more of a reaction to brexit than anything else.

Wrong on a number of levels Scot's* have been wanting out since 1707.

David Cameron and Alex Salmond made the Scottish referendum a legally binding one with the Edinburgh agreement before the referendum, so there was some force behind it.

*okay fine, some Scot's

[Reelya]

And neither was the Scottish independence referendum which was more of a reaction to brexit than anything else.

umm, are you sure you're not mixing up the timeline there?

[smjjames]

There were RUMORS of brexit.

[da_nang]

So... literally treason or what, Puigdemont et al.?

What charges could Spain press here?

[scriver]

Yeah, illegal =/ not legally binding. Whether a vote is legally binding or not just means whether  the government has to follow the result or not. For example, since the Brexit vote wasn't legally binding, the Leave vote could have lost with 99-1 % and the government could still have declared they where leaving it if they wanted. Just like when he Swedish voted against right-side traffic but the government still decided to change it afterwards.

There were RUMORS of brexit.

No mate, the only impact the EU had on the Scottish referendum was Labour and Tories threatening Scotland that they wouldn't be able to remain in the EU if of the Scouted from the UK. UKIP and their leave EU agenda was barely on the scene yet and certainly didn't seem like a possibility to be taken seriously.

In Swedish news: Police told SOS Alarm when asked to reinforce ambulance personal on the site of an axe-assault (ambance responders are not allowed to approach if the perp is still on the scene); "well, she'll just have to die then".

Interviewed police chief guy chooses to focus on the inappropriateness of saying such things and apologising for that instead of talking about how it only happened in the first place because there's only one police car per 4 communes in this area (they province of Värmland/Warmia) and it was physically impossible for the car to be present, since it was 1.5 hours away. Because we can't talk for a single moment about how the law forces in Sweden is in complete dissolution, can we?

Couldn't find a source in English, but here is the Swedish television web news article on it (I first found out through the 19:30 news tonight): https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/varmland/polisoperatoren-nar-ambulansen-ber-om-assistans-da-far-hon-

When the police actually arrived 90 minutes later the paramedics had already approached the scene regardless. The victim later died in the hospital.

[smjjames]

Yes you're right it didn't have anything to do with brexit, I'm being silly because meds.

Varmland/Warmia, is that like out in the sticks? Like Rural rural?

[ChairmanPoo]

So... literally treason or what, Puigdemont et al.?

What charges could Spain press here?

Sedition for sure. Applies who those who rise "publically and turbulently"   against the law. Maximum sentence is 15 years

They'll likely try to stick him with rebellion, which is the same but with violence.  Now, since there wasnt, they shouldnt be able to make it stick, but separation of powers is simply not a thing in Spain, so who knows. It wouldnt be the first time Spanish tribunals do bullshit sentences that latter get thrown at the EU tribunals... years later.

[Reelya]

There were RUMORS of brexit.

David Camerom broached the Brexit referendum back in 2012, yes. Which was before the Scottish vote.

However, the SNP campaigned on the basis of a Scottish independence referendum back when they stood for election in 2007.

[da_nang]

Well, either way, from Brexit to Trump, Catastrophe is now in full swing.

[smjjames]

There were RUMORS of brexit.

David Camerom broached the Brexit referendum back in 2012, yes. Which was before the Scottish vote.

However, the SNP campaigned on the basis of a Scottish independence referendum back when they stood for election in 2007.

I might be remembering the 2012 thing.

So... literally treason or what, Puigdemont et al.?

What charges could Spain press here?

Sedition for sure. Applies who those who rise "publically and turbulently"   against the law. Maximum sentence is 15 years

They'll likely try to stick him with rebellion, which is the same but with violence.  Now, since there wasnt, they shouldnt be able to make it stick, but separation of powers is simply not a thing in Spain, so who knows. It wouldnt be the first time Spanish tribunals do bullshit sentences that latter get thrown at the EU tribunals... years later.

How the heck is 'turbulently' defined in law? Like 'energetically'? I've never heard of the word turbulent used in that fashion.