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[Antioch]

The Dutch government has again denied access to a Turkish politician.
Turkish vice-premier Tugrul Türkes wants to come to Apeldoorn next week, to speak at the remembrance ceremony for the failed coup 1 year ago, that is being organised there coming tuesday.

The Dutch government has stated that 'the coup was an injustifiable assault on Turkish democratic institutions. In that, we are in the same line as Turkey. However, given the current situation in Turkey, and the bilateral relation between our two countries, we do not find it desirable for Türkes, or any other member of Turkish government, to come to the Netherlands.

Now we have to wait and see if Türkes is going to try and enter the country anyways, like their minister did back during the referendum campaign.

The destruction of the Turkish democracy was ongoing long before the coup ever happened. Gulen for example was branded as head of a terrorist organisation 6 months before this coup and HDP member of parliament were stripped of their immunity and persecuted. There were also already purges going on of judges, police officers and teachers.

So I think that coup was the last hope of democracy actually being restored.

[ChairmanPoo]

The Dutch government has again denied access to a Turkish politician.
Turkish vice-premier Tugrul Türkes wants to come to Apeldoorn next week, to speak at the remembrance ceremony for the failed coup 1 year ago, that is being organised there coming tuesday.

The Dutch government has stated that 'the coup was an injustifiable assault on Turkish democratic institutions. In that, we are in the same line as Turkey. However, given the current situation in Turkey, and the bilateral relation between our two countries, we do not find it desirable for Türkes, or any other member of Turkish government, to come to the Netherlands.

Now we have to wait and see if Türkes is going to try and enter the country anyways, like their minister did back during the referendum campaign.

The destruction of the Turkish democracy was ongoing long before the coup ever happened. Gulen for example was branded as head of a terrorist organisation 6 months before this coup and HDP member of parliament were stripped of their immunity and persecuted. There were also already purges going on of judges, police officers and teachers.

So I think that coup was the last hope of democracy actually being restored.

You talk the talk about fighting for democracy in Turkey, but ....at Thanksgiving did you actually join the boycott or did you ate roast turkey instead with all the other sheeple?

;-)

fun fact: In Portuguese turkey is called "peru"

[Antioch]

The Dutch government has again denied access to a Turkish politician.
Turkish vice-premier Tugrul Türkes wants to come to Apeldoorn next week, to speak at the remembrance ceremony for the failed coup 1 year ago, that is being organised there coming tuesday.

The Dutch government has stated that 'the coup was an injustifiable assault on Turkish democratic institutions. In that, we are in the same line as Turkey. However, given the current situation in Turkey, and the bilateral relation between our two countries, we do not find it desirable for Türkes, or any other member of Turkish government, to come to the Netherlands.

Now we have to wait and see if Türkes is going to try and enter the country anyways, like their minister did back during the referendum campaign.

The destruction of the Turkish democracy was ongoing long before the coup ever happened. Gulen for example was branded as head of a terrorist organisation 6 months before this coup and HDP member of parliament were stripped of their immunity and persecuted. There were also already purges going on of judges, police officers and teachers.

So I think that coup was the last hope of democracy actually being restored.

You talk the talk about fighting for democracy in Turkey, but ....at Thanksgiving did you actually join the boycott or did you ate roast turkey instead with all the other sheeple?

;-)

fun fact: In Portuguese turkey is called "peru"

I have never eaten roast Turkey in my life. Though I did go to the Turkish supermarket to buy Turkish bread because it makes for awesome hamburger buns, and I did accept the delicious meatballs my parents neighbour made to celebrate the end of Ramadan.

[hector13]

I was about to correct you that the end of Ramadan was called Eid, but it's Eid-somethingorother, so I decided against it.

Turkey I like. It's really dry, and for some reason I like really dry meat. At least light meat, the dark meat is a bit different.

[TempAcc]

I too like dry-er meats, but I hate turkey, its like Im eating some poorly evolved dinosaur.

[ChairmanPoo]

I too like dry-er meats, but I hate turkey, its like Im eating some poorly evolved dinosaur.

[Cthulhu]

tfw in the midst of everyone shitting themselves over Trump and Le Pen trying to become dictators Macron walks in and literally makes himself King of France

truly the world's first meme president

[redwallzyl]

tfw in the midst of everyone shitting themselves over Trump and Le Pen trying to become dictators Macron walks in and literally makes himself King of France

truly the world's first meme president

How big is their parliament exactly? i can see how if it was too big it could cause problems.

[Cthulhu]

I mean it's not the only thing

[smjjames]

tfw in the midst of everyone shitting themselves over Trump and Le Pen trying to become dictators Macron walks in and literally makes himself King of France

truly the world's first meme president

How big is their parliament exactly? i can see how if it was two big it could cause problems.

Wiki says 925, which is 348 Senators (upper house) and 577 deputies (lower house). So, uh, I can see where reducing the size of the legislature would be an idea.

The bit about the Parliament not legislating and instead 'evaluate' seems kind of strange.

I mean it's not the only thing

Love the 'mind blown' image sequence there.

I hope you guys didn't accidentially elect neo-Napoleon, heh. At least he's willing to give it a referendum if it comes to that.

[Antioch]

Man I had such high hopes for Macron.

Turns out he quite a dangerous personality.

[Sheb]

Jesus, that could be bad.

The reduction in seats isn't an issue. Nor is proportional representation, but moving to evaluation's not that great.

Macaron, you were supposed to destroy the authoritarians, not join them!

It's not entirely clear what he means by that.

From what I gathered from here:

-Limit benefits to MP, ban them from working as consultants during their term, ban them from hiring family members, limit them to three consecutive terms, ban people with a criminal records from competing in elections.

-Make the "accelerated procedure" standard. Right now, a law can ping back and forth between the upper and lower houses as amendments are added and added and added (Adding amendment is the French equivalent of the filibuster. The absolute record being the 137 537 amendments proposed by the socialists and communists to block energy liberalization in 2006). The accelerated procedure exist already, and basically has a joint commission draft a compromise, which is then offered to the lower house which can either accept it, accept its last version, or turn it down, but cannot amend it. I'm not 100% sure what that imply as I'm no expert.

-Have the deputies spend part of the year voting new law, and part of the year evaluating existing law and amend it. No idea what that would mean in practice.

-Implement a "dose of proportionality" in the election system. That's the satisfy his MoDem allies, who really like proportionnal because they're the eternal third place party (think LibDem, except more useless).

-Introduce yearly "State-of-the-union" style speeches.

-Lower public subsidies for political parties who don't have a balanced gender ratio among their candidates.

-Create "innovative ways to evaluate the legislative and parlementary work by citizen participation", which, as far as I can tell, is a stimulus program for the buzzword industry.

[Neonivek]

ban them from working as consultants during their term

Ahh so they have to be independently wealthy... O-o

*Checks their wages*

Nevermind... Can I be a MP? I want a 200,000 dollar salary.

Err wait that is US... in the UK it is around 100,000 dollars. Yet this is France so... 15,000 dollars? No that isn't correct... OHHHH per month! So 180,000 dollars.

[Sheb]

Well, they get about 78000 euros of salarys (60000 post-tax). But they also get a monthly "Indemnité représentative de frais de mandat" of about 5300 euros. (Roughly "Indemnity for the costs of a term") This is supposed to cover the cost of being an MP (maintaing an office in the district and the like) but can be used as they want, isn't taxed and, since an amendment was voted in 2002, the use made of that money cannot be checked by the tax office. Several MPs, including JM Le Pen have used it to pay their mortgage for exemple.

Then you have some extraneous advantages, like free first class travel on train, a certain number of free plane trips (80 to and from the district per year, 12 worldwide), etc etc.

[Neonivek]

Yeah I can see why their "business expense account" is considered under their salary when they can often use it to pay their ordinary expenses.