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[Pwnzerfaust]

I'd be okay with that too, actually. Although I'd rather have the EU recognize one of the factions and have that faction 'invite' the EU to come in and fix things. Makes things a little more legally legitimate.

[smjjames]

Sure, but that's why you put people on the ground to find out who they are. They obviously need to be known by people in order to be useful, so you find out who they are, and then either use special forces to extract or eliminate them, or watch them until they are isolated from anyone else and drop a missile on their heads. Rinse and repeat until people are too scared to be smugglers.

Or maybe just arrest the smugglers? Dropping a missile on them would be too messy. Also, you just said that you'd have to occupy Libya.

At that point why don't you invade the country and install a stable government? Because it's starting to sound easier.

Maybe we should have done that in the first place. Oh wait! We already did with Iraq and look how that turned out!

I'd be okay with that too, actually. Although I'd rather have the EU recognize one of the factions and have that faction 'invite' the EU to come in and fix things. Makes things a little more legally legitimate.

One of the factions is already internationally recognized. Only problem is, those guys only control half the coastline.

[Pwnzerfaust]

One of the factions is already internationally recognized. Only problem is, those guys only control half the coastline.

Right, which is why they should ask the EU to come in and help them control the whole country (under the condition that migrants do not under any circumstances leave from Libya to Europe). And if they are hesitant to ask on their own, then EU should bribe their leaders into doing what they're told.

[smjjames]

One of the factions is already internationally recognized. Only problem is, those guys only control half the coastline.

Right, which is why they should ask the EU to come in and help them control the whole country (under the condition that migrants do not under any circumstances leave from Libya to Europe). And if they are hesitant to ask on their own, then EU should bribe their leaders into doing what they're told.

Bribe? You're so imperialist. (JOKING!)

Seriously though, there would have to be political will to actually do that in the first place, and it'd probably be either NATO or the UN rather than the EU, which doesn't actually have a common army called the 'EU army'.

[ChairmanPoo]

Cute. Who's going to provide boots on the ground?

[Pwnzerfaust]

Cute. Who's going to provide boots on the ground?

France would probably take the lead on it, since they have the largest ground forces in the EU. Germany would hopefully play a large part as well, as Germany has a lot to gain in keeping the illegals out.

Bribe? You're so imperialist. (JOKING!)

Imperialism is underrated.

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[smjjames]

Cute. Who's going to provide boots on the ground?

France would probably take the lead on it, since they have the largest ground forces in the EU. Germany would hopefully play a large part as well, as Germany has a lot to gain in keeping the illegals out.

It might be a better idea for an international force to do it, rather than have it be solely from a single country.

Trying to somehow get the various factions to coalesce together into a single government would be a much better idea, but that's a very long term thing, and I'm not sure if anybody is actually actively working on that.

[Pwnzerfaust]

Actually, yeah, I meant to add but forgot when I edited in the Imperialism thingy: I think it could be a wonderful proof of concept for a united EU military force.

[hector13]

Another thing I wish Europe would do, in addition to other measures, is to target the smugglers. Arrest or assassinate them. If Europe makes being a people smuggler extremely hazardous to one's health, it will reduce the number of smugglers, thereby driving up prices and reducing flow out of Libya.

Arrest or assassinate them.

assassinate

Extrajudicial killings for the win. Works for Duterte, amirite?

Alternatively, any war on drugs. Pushing up prices is going to make it more appealing to criminals, not less.

I don't think it's sensible for a government - any government - to a) say they're too weak to be able to stand on their own and b) ask a foreign government to intercede on their behalf in an internal conflict.

[Erkki]

Actually, yeah, I meant to add but forgot when I edited in the Imperialism thingy: I think it could be a wonderful proof of concept for a united EU military force.

United EU military force, yeah thats what Junckner & CO want. More power to the large countries and Brussels' technocrats. Say no to eurofederalism. Ps. thats what this recent crisis in Finland was at least partially about too.

I dont think common armed forces or military units will materialize in larger scale than these small 1-2 battalion strong rapid response forces, as long as NATO exists. There are many EU countries that are not in NATO(some with long history of neutrality) and some European NATO countries that are not in EU, such as Norway.

[Erkki]

Finland elevates terrorist threat level today, after security intelligence service's latest threat assessment is published. In English: http://www.supo.fi/counterterrorism/terrorism_threat_assessment

[Neonivek]

Huge fire today as a 24 story hotel/apartment goes up in flames.

Oddly enough they did get a lot of complaints about issues that COULD have started the fire... at the same time they were also renovated AND met all the criteria so they shouldn't have had a fire due to any of those issues.

So either something fishy went on behind the scenes or this was just an unfortunate accident...

[martinuzz]

They weren't renovated, they were only pimped, clad in nice looking plastic for 8 million pounds.
There's strong suspicion that the 8 million pound plastic is the main culprit for the fire spreading so fast.

[Sheb]

Actually, yeah, I meant to add but forgot when I edited in the Imperialism thingy: I think it could be a wonderful proof of concept for a united EU military force.

United EU military force, yeah thats what Junckner & CO want. More power to the large countries and Brussels' technocrats. Say no to eurofederalism. Ps. thats what this recent crisis in Finland was at least partially about too.

I dont think common armed forces or military units will materialize in larger scale than these small 1-2 battalion strong rapid response forces, as long as NATO exists. There are many EU countries that are not in NATO(some with long history of neutrality) and some European NATO countries that are not in EU, such as Norway.

It's funny, because I'm actually strongly in favour of an EU army, but I share your assesment of the likelihood of a common armed force.

[Erkki]

It's funny, because I'm actually strongly in favour of an EU army, but I share your assesment of the likelihood of a common armed force.

You might want to try the POV of someone who lives in a small country at the edge of the union, with a tiny voice in EU, little common with people and nations at the other side and who would be personally a part of that common armed force.

I've sworn an oath to defend in peace and war this fine nation, her people, laws, security and order. Not to Brussels or, say, Portugal or Greece.