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[ChairmanPoo]

What is that Economic Agreement you speak of?

Basque Economic Agreement. Actually, transferred Basque competences in general. Artur Mas (the current 'spiritual leader' -and former head of Catalonian goverment) wanted those. PP's goverment blocked him and started agitprop against Catalonians, Artur Mas countered with pro-independence protests.

Oh, so, it's closer to a US state (usually Texas, more recently it was California) having a bit of a hissy fit and thumping chest about seccession, but in reality goes nowhere.

It was the first example that came up in my head. Maybe a slightly better example would be Scotland, however, they're practically a separate country from England and are already part of NATO anyway by being in the UK.

I wouldnt say that either. The Catalonians have genuine grievances. Its just that the matter is far more complex  and multipolar than people make it abroad.

I'm guessing thats true of all political conflicts though. 

[martinuzz]

The EU is starting a disciplinary lawsuit against Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, for not complying with the amount of refugees that was agreed to be relocated there from the 160 thousand refugees stranded in Greece and Italy.
Poland and Hungary failed to relocate in a single refugee. the Czech Republic, who was designated to take in 2691 refugees, took in 12 people and then declared that was more than enough.

The three countries stand to lose the EU subsidies they have been recieving since they joined the EU.
Viktor Orbán has said he will not give in to blackmail.

[Erkki]

The EU is starting a disciplinary lawsuit against Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic, for not complying with the amount of refugees that was agreed to be relocated there from the 160 thousand refugees stranded in Greece and Italy.
Poland and Hungary failed to relocate in a single refugee. the Czech Republic, who was designated to take in 2691 refugees, took in 12 people and then declared that was more than enough.

The three countries stand to lose the EU subsidies they have been recieving since they joined the EU.
Viktor Orbán has said he will not give in to blackmail.

But no disciplinary actions being taken against approximately half the Union for not following Dublin Regulation?

/sarcasm

[martinuzz]

Dublin is unworkable, because of it's 'first country of entry' principle. It should never have been ratified. If we were to follow Dublin, 99% of refugees would have to be taken in by Greece and Italy.

[Pwnzerfaust]

I would rather they just keep them off European shores entirely and house them in camps on leased land in Libya or something.

[ChairmanPoo]

Tangentially related news European Court Rules In Favour Of Former Basque Parliament Speaker

[Sheb]

I would rather they just keep them off European shores entirely and house them in camps on leased land in Libya or something.

And I would rather that there be peace all over the world and no refugees.

[Pwnzerfaust]

I would rather they just keep them off European shores entirely and house them in camps on leased land in Libya or something.

And I would rather that there be peace all over the world and no refugees.

Difference is, mine is something that can be done.

[martinuzz]

Hahahaha no it isn't. Unless you want to go full nazi and shoot any boat that enters te mediterrenean

[Sheb]

You'd also need to rip off a bunch of treaties, find a partner in Libya (getting a deal with Turkey was hard enough, and they have a functionning govt).

[Erkki]

You'd also need to rip off a bunch of treaties, find a partner in Libya (getting a deal with Turkey was hard enough, and they have a functionning govt).

IIRC UN members can atm do whatever they please with Libya except for long term occupying areas within the borders. As long as they inform the recognized government. Thats why NATO was planning to bomb ships and boats found at the Libyan coast as a means to prevent smugglers from sending people to the ocean where they get "rescued".

[Pwnzerfaust]

Hahahaha no it isn't. Unless you want to go full nazi and shoot any boat that enters te mediterrenean

Nonsense. Simply take the people aboard ships and then immediately deliver them back to the Libyan coast. (And no, I don't give a single flying fuck about treaties that say otherwise.)

[martinuzz]

IIRC UN members can atm do whatever they please with Libya except for long term occupying areas within the borders. As long as they inform the recognized government. Thats why NATO was planning to bomb ships and boats found at the Libyan coast as a means to prevent smugglers from sending people to the ocean where they get "rescued".

I don't think NATO ever planned to do anything of the kind. Don't think anyone invoked article 5 yet for the refugees landing on their beaches. There were a couple of EU nations though that toyed with the idea (of bombing ships).

[martinuzz]

Nonsense. Simply take the people aboard ships and then immediately deliver them back to the Libyan coast. (And no, I don't give a single flying fuck about treaties that say otherwise.)

People who don't give a fuck about international treaties are a much bigger threat to the Western world than refugees will ever be

[Pwnzerfaust]

I don't agree. See, the thing about treaties is that they can be changed. It's not like they're some immutable natural law.