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[Sheb]

Other factors you hear are that the lower safety net and minimum wages of the US pushes more recent migrant into work (both because they have no choice, and because it allows for more low-wage jobs for low-skills people).

[inteuniso]

Seems that muslim-related unrest is directly proportional to the percentage of the total population being muslim then, similar to how it is with everyone else.

[scriver]

Back to news about the actual happening: This article states that the man arrested in Chorlton yesterday is reported to be the perpetrator's older brother. This article is reporting that BBC is reporting that Reuters is reporting that his younger brother has been arrested in Tripoli on charges of "consorting with ISIS", and that AP is reporting that his father also has been arrested there. I'm thinking that there might be some confusion and there's only one guy arrested, but who knows.

[ChairmanPoo]

Back to news about the actual happening: This article states that the man arrested in Chorlton yesterday is reported to be the perpetrator's older brother. This article is reporting that BBC is reporting that Reuters is reporting that his younger brother has been arrested in Tripoli on charges of "consorting with ISIS", and that AP is reporting that his father also has been arrested there. I'm thinking that there might be some confusion and there's only one guy arrested, but who knows.

All those arrests were one because we are all one in Pathos, scriver

[Lagslayer]

I made one post, logged out for the night, came back, and Godwin had taken over the thread.

[Neonivek]

Anyhow can I have a link to it being Legal in the UK to make death threats so long as your a foreigner?

[martinuzz]

Anyhow can I have a link to it being Legal in the UK to make death threats so long as your a foreigner?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY

[redwallzyl]

its just a general thing in the US for most death threats not to have anything done about them.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

its just a general thing in the US for most death threats not to have anything done about them.

Most death threats aren't illegal in the US because the courts apply standards of plausibility, specificity, and immediacy to them. You can't be charged for posting the NAVY Seal Copypasta at someone because it's implausible, you are not actually a NAVY Seal and you do not have the ability to wipe them the fuck out with precision like you've never seen before. You can't be charged for calling for the deaths of all black people because it's unspecific, your murder boner isn't pointed at an identifiable person but the general category of black people. You can't even be charged for saying a specific person ought to be killed because your ethos that they should be killed is not marked by an intention of action (whether they're a death row prisoner or a celebrity).

To be charged for death threats, at least in theory, you need a mixture of all three. Saying your neighbor should be fed into a pit of lions is specific (neighbor) and immediate (lions), but lacks plausibility. In practice, this is a somewhat subjective judgement and probably is not applied very evenly, leading to the courts trying to not apply it at all. Hence why a lot of these cases are the threats towards Presidents rather than general Americans, because a different standard is applied there.

Or so says my layman's interpretation.

In European laws, the standards I see are based more upon the fear of the victim and the state of the threat's motivation.

[scriver]

Anyhow can I have a link to it being Legal in the UK to make death threats so long as your a foreigner?

I am still Swedish, not British. But unfortunately I cannot find the article where I read about it (it was an opinion piece in Göteborgs-Posten), so I can't source it either to that or to the court decision.

[Neonivek]

Ok what about an article that says it is legal in the UK to keep your children inside their entire lives so long as you are Muslim?

[martinuzz]

The Manchester attack turns out to be yet another major intelligence service fuckup.

The perpetrator had been reported to authorities 5 times. His friends had called the police after he had stated that it is okay to be a suicide terrorist. His mosque had warned the police that he was radicalizing. His own familiy called the police, to warn them that the man was a threat. Furthermore intelligence services were aware that he was a member of a Libyan group linked to al Qaida.
Not much was done with this knowledge. The man had been placed on a watchlist, but wasn't being watched closely.

Meanwhile, while raiding some places, police arrested 6 more people, and found more explosives, which have been detonated remotely by the bomb squad. Rumour has it that intelligence agencies are 'very worried' by the explosives found. They fear there will be more attacks soon.

[Neonivek]

So basically EVERYTHING was working correctly in terms of community both Muslim and otherwise.

It was the British Gov that FUDGED THE FUDGE up? am I getting this right?

[martinuzz]

Yes. The stupidity is so overwhelming it almost makes one think that they allowed it to happen on purpose.

[smjjames]

Seems like almost every terror attack has a severe Intel fuckup behind it these days.

So basically EVERYTHING was working correctly in terms of community both Muslim and otherwise.

It was the British Gov that FUDGED THE FUDGE up? am I getting this right?

Definetly looks like it. Everything in terms of reporting him and raising red flags sounds like it was working correctly, it's the authorities that dropped the ball.