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[martinuzz]

The Dutch-Jewish organisation CIDI (Center for Information and Documentation Israel) is urging the government to take action, and considering filing official charges with the police, after they discovered that a dutch alt-right website has been posting an online database with the names, occupations and adresses of jews in the Netherlands, and a databse of companies that 'represent the jewish influence in the Netherlands'. With the databases comes a request to website visitors to report any jew they know, to be added to the database, to 'assist with mapping the jew influence in the Netherlands and Belgium'.
The site also provides a list of 'enemies of the people of the Netherlands', which supposedly lists 'people and organisations which are hostile to the European people, and especially out people'.
There's also a photograph of Hitler on the site, with the text 'it's someone special's birthday hurray, hurray!'. Hitler's birthday was last week.
Another article on the site has as headline 'jew jewcons other jews'.

Since CIDI went public earlier today, the website AltRechts.com can no longer be reached.
"This reminds just too much of the lists made by the national socialists of jews and half jews, so they could be segregated. These dispicable and dangerous activities will need to be stopped immediatly. We do not need to remind you what violent anti-semites could do with the help of such a list".

CIDI considers filing charges with the The Hague police department. On basis of violation of privacy laws of the persons mentioned on the list, a court case could me made. However, taking the site offline immediatly, as demanded by CIDI, will be hard, since it is hosted in another country.
This means that this would have to go through the court of the nation in question, which tends to be a long procedure.
Another possibility would be to make the providers block the site.

According to CIDI, the site is hosted from Panama, but other sources report it is being hosted from the US.

[Sergarr]

The neo-Nazis are getting quite bold, to be moving into the open like that.

[redwallzyl]

I have the same question. It makes sense in the past but why still?

[scriver]

Well that's damn scary.

[ChairmanPoo]

I have the same question. It makes sense in the past but why still?

A cheap racist excuse is a cheap racist excuse. Why would it be any different now from back then?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

By all accounts, the "original" reason why people believe in conspiracies being committed by Jews seems to be their simultaneous presence and exclusion from society in pre-industrial Europe. Jews are present and visible, but have limited interaction with most of the population. They have an entirely different culture which is unknown to most besides what connections they draw from church services describing them.

This forms an easy (and ironic) scapegoat. If children go missing, maybe the Jews took them, because they wanted to make them Jews. If people start dying, maybe the Jews poisoned us, because we come into conflict with them. If the Jews appear nearly immune to a disease, maybe they called on the Devil to inflict Christians with that disease. So on and so forth.

The modern incarnation of this seems to start with, who else, Hitler. He crafted the idea of a link between the Jews, communists, and international banking. That last one specifically is going to be important for what we're seeing right now. So Hitler goes with the promotion of an "international Bolshevik Jewish conspiracy" to explain how Germany lost WWI in spite of being so powerful. And huh, critical of internationalism, isn't that a familiar line?

So the current strain of antisemitism is, in many ways, a cut-out for general nativist, nationalist thought against an alleged social circle of "internationalists" who are trying to cut up and disperse [sgValueNationName] for the greater cause of communism/capitalism/Zionism/whatever. Some neo-nazis have exposed this quite neatly with their walking back of the crazy rhetoric by saying that there are "Real Jews" that are the wealthy shadowy conspirators, while 99% of the Jewish population are just cat's paws and smokescreens for "actual" Jews.

Since there's no clear name or identity for a social circle of shadowy internationalist menaces, it should come as no surprise that so many people inclined to think that way have picked up Mein Kampf and been all "Holy shit, he knew!". They slap the "it was the Jews" sticker on and call it a day.

[redwallzyl]

I have the same question. It makes sense in the past but why still?

A cheap racist excuse is a cheap racist excuse. Why would it be any different now from back then?

mostly because back then Jews were of a minority religion in a vary religious time where that was very important. they also had a separate culture that wouldn't integrate in a broadly xenophobic time and were used as scapegoats constantly. you would think now days they would be no more remarkable then any other oppressed minority of which their are many to choose from. but for some reason its always the Jews that are the focus over everyone else still.

edit: MSH to the rescue

[martinuzz]

Meanwhile, Macedonia is in unrest, after an angry nationalist mob stormed parliament yesterday, armed with chairs and other hard objects, protesting against an Albanian becoming the new chairman of parliament. About hundred people were injured, including Zoran Zaev, the social democrat opposition leader. He was injured to the face.
In 2001, ethnic conflict almost sparked civil war, which was narrowly prevented by international negotiations.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/dreigt-er-nu-een-burgeroorlog-in-macedonie-en-nog-vijf-vragen-over-de-politieke-crisis~a4491461/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39738865

[ChairmanPoo]

I have the same question. It makes sense in the past but why still?

A cheap racist excuse is a cheap racist excuse. Why would it be any different now from back then?

mostly because back then Jews were of a minority religion in a vary religious time where that was very important. they also had a separate culture that wouldn't integrate in a broadly xenophobic time and were used as scapegoats constantly. you would think now days they would be no more remarkable then any other oppressed minority of which their are many to choose from. but for some reason its always the Jews that are the focus over everyone else still.

edit: MSH to the rescue

Well, it was never "only" the jews. You seem to forget that they got rounded up along with other minorities as well (muslims, Roma, whatnot).   Back then as well as now

[Digital Hellhound]

Global conspiracy-focused antisemitism really starts in the 19th century, with the impressive rise of a few successful Jewish people into visible, public figures of wealth (the Rothschilds are the best example) or political influence (Disraeli). Now you could link the troubling new bourgeois world order with Jewish influence, though on the other hand Marx's role in socialism also let people paint socialism as a Jewish plot - antisemitists sure got to have it all ways. Nationalism also brought up the question of the Jews place in society and predictably the answers were often hostile (even though many Jews had more or less assimilated seamlessly).

Then you get the creation of the Protocol of the Elders of Zion in 1903 by Tsarist secret police (Jews were a popular scapegoat for the Russian Empire) and its spread with Whites fleeing after the Civil War. The fact the thing was proven to be a forgery in 1923 didn't interest anybody - you got nice fellas like Henry Ford sponsoring its publication. Meanwhile, De Gobineau and co. advanced pseudo-scientific intellectual antisemitism (he came up with the idea of the Aryan master race). In Hitler's native Austria the populist antisemitist Karl Lueger was very influential.

My point is that Hitler hardly came up with any of his stuff on his own. He advanced a lot of it to extremes, but the basis for that kind of extremism already existed. Given the same power and circumstances (Hitler didn't start with the Final Solution, either), I think a lot of individuals in the period could've done the same.

[martinuzz]

Our main airport Schiphol is almost drowning in it's success. Traveller numbers have been increasing so explosively, that the airport directors and management have a crisis meeting coming wednesday, about how to deal with the hours long queues that have been plagueing passengers with delays, and missed flights this spring season. Apparently 216000 travellers per day is more than the check in counters and security checkpoints can handle. Queues are sometimes so long, that they branch out into another terminal altogether.
Wednesday direction and management will meet with labour unions and private security services to negotiate more staff, and more security gates.
According to the labour union FNV, it is advisable to train and educate more security guards, to assist with checkpoints.

Normally, Schiphol does not do it's own security. It is outsourced to private security companies. However, all the private security companies combined do not have enough staff to supply the airport. With quick action taken to train and educate new security, the shortage could be fixed in 6 months.

Our government also intervenes. The state secretary has invited Schiphol management, and KLM management to meet with her. She said the long queues are bad for the imago of the airport. KLM, Schiphol's largest customer blames Schiphol for allowing the low price airlines grow way too fast, without investing adequately in new terminals, roads, and staff.
Other parties also blame KLM itself, for adding many new sunny destinations, while they were aware that Schiphol was over capacity.

https://youtu.be/1NBVrPRxcv0

[hector13]

I've only been through Schiphol a few times, is the security stuff at the gates a regular thing, or just for people at the airport switching flights? If you know, anyway...

[redwallzyl]

Clearly Wikipedia is supporting 'Gulenist lies'™

[Arcvasti]

Since Turkey is kind of relevant with their ties to the EU, and I can't recall any thread where it'd be more appropriate:

Turkey has blocked Wikipedia without giving a reason (But apparently they asked Wikipedia to remove content "supporting terror"(which, being Turkey, likely means "The truth")).

I imagine that the thing that annoyed them was probably the following bit:

The campaign was marred by allegations of state suppression against 'No' campaigners, while the 'Yes' campaign were able to make use of state facilities and funding to organise rallies and campaign events. Leading members of the 'No' campaign, which included many high-profile former members of the MHP such as Meral Akşener, Ümit Özdağ, Sinan Oğan, and Yusuf Halaçoğlu were all subject to both violence and campaign restrictions. The 'Yes' campaign were faced with campaigning restrictions by several European countries, with the German, Dutch, Danish and Swiss governments all cancelling or requesting the suspension of 'Yes' campaign events directed at Turkish voters living abroad. The restrictions caused a sharp deterioration in diplomatic relations and caused a diplomatic crisis between Turkey and the Netherlands. Concerns were also raised about voting irregularities, with 'Yes' voters in Germany being caught attempting to vote more than once and also being found to have been in possession of ballot papers before the overseas voting process had started. European election monitors said the vote did not meet international standards.

I imagine its probably kind of annoying for there to be a well-known and somewhat respected website presenting criticism of your farce of a coronation referendum.

[ChairmanPoo]

I have this song stuck in my head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF4XHz6RHeI


I'm particularily fascinated by the midget with a guitar. Now I want to hire a midget to dance and play the guitar while we do the ward round.