Well, Fox is doing its usual. Apparently someone on there claimed that London was utterly shut down by the attack, which, as pointed out, is anything BUT the truth.
Aye, the only thing that was shut down was access to Westminster station from street level, that was just to help with police investigation after the attack. Entirety of the city was going on pretty much as is, honestly priceless hearing people moan that terrorists have mildly disrupted their travel plans
Police really did a good job this time around. Shame one of them died doing his duty
Isn't it the case that the UK gave up relatively few civil liberties because they had so few to start with. :p More seriously, UK spy agencies got powers their contiental counterpart can only dream off, there you have your super net of cameras...
It is interesting reading of the birth of conservatism amidst the enlightenment; the liberal wanted the complete freedom and total liberty of the individual (in so far as was possible within legal and moral justifications), the conservative wanted the complete freedom and total liberty within the boundaries of continuous and strong institutions. Obviously the conservatives do not offer complete freedom, but they noticed then something curious - when people were given total freedom, they had a habit of joining apocalyptic religious cults or grow rather fond of the guillotine. Lacking any guidance with which to decide how to use their freedom, they would seek their own hierarchy, their own structure, and even if this meant going to war with society - they would live as they believed God had commanded. 200 years later and I find these lessons have become more relevant than ever, God help the European Nations who have spent the last decades doing all in their best power to dismantle every institution that made their states strong. Paradoxically, they will end up with less liberty than those who prepared - while the UK was preparing for attacks, the European Union and her citizens were denying that jihadis even existed in Europe. It's not going to be a pretty future to be sure, but I always say you're never too late for damage control, to that end I am still optimistic. Currently they lack the resources and conditions to embark on a campaign within Europe thus the situation is still salvageable
One reason why we're careful is that a little under a century ago, a certain someone decided that he needed to do everything in his power to ensure the dominance of the his race.
Well drats, there goes my plans of solving terrorism by invading Russia and exterminating the slavs
Basically I fear that the longer liberals dilly dally the more reasonable actual extremists are going to seem to all communities in Europe - Islamic, Communist and Fascist
Also, you think that with the current situation our lives, culture and values will just vanish? The IRA did a way more effective job with their campaign of terrorism, and Britain, our values and our culture survived, and the British people are still around today.
Oh gods, I doubt it'll be as bad as IRA. You've got to consider that the British Empire lost to the insurgency in Ireland, their goal was independence, not the destruction of our culture - now we have a foe that seeks extermination and conquest wherever it goes. Just look at the job they've done in the middle east, ancient peoples are extinct now. They survived Romans, Greeks, Persians, Caliphates, Mongols, Turks, French, British, Americans, finally undone by international jihad. It's set a pretty awful precedent, that if you allow yourself to become a minority in your own lands, the international world is going to look on with indifference if the majority decides to exterminate you
Apparently Bulgaria expelled a Turkish citizen and blocked two others over concerns that Turkey would interfere in their Parliamentary elections this weekend because a Turkish minister had campaigned for a Bulgarian political party. Erdogan then responded with what looks like a condemnation of election interference attempts and at the same time, the usual spat that Erdogan has been having with Europe this past month or two.
I'm intrigued what Erdogan's end goal is, and why he has been assuming all the airs of a Presidential Dictator waging war against Europe. I am guessing it is a result of Erdogan taking a mile for every inch the EU gave him
I shall be uncharacteristically plain in reguards to that sort of offender; cut their cock-and-balls off. They cannot be trusted to have them. The procedure can no doubt be done, with advanced modern medicine, and is a much more reliable disarmament (in all senses of the word) than a few months of mandatory day-care with friends and drugs, at worst.
Gods that sounds like an awful idea, it's cruel and unusual punishment for no gain. What advantage does it give, whilst reducing the state to the level of a Byzantine or Ottoman despot, handing out castrations left right and centre? This is not a power that should ever be possessed by the state, except perhaps in an emergency multiplication of the human population that is simply out of this world. Even so, we are nowhere near that point.
The only way this could seem reasonable is under the notion of deterrence. One would not force girls into sex slavery if they feared castration by the state. The important thing to consider however, is that these gangs had no fear of the justice system, not for lenient punishment - but because they had no fear of police, politician or journalist. A decade went by with politicians and journalists who investigated the crimes being investigated for hate crimes while politicians and journalists brushed this under the rug because they didn't want to have public opinion turn against their multicultural project. Thus the gangs got away, and top lel police even destroyed evidence in the UK - god we already know how the continentals tried it, it seems the continental state apparatus has been successful in covering up a great deal already. The problem is the leadership, not the law. When the police police, the judges judge, reporters report, politicians don't do anything too stupid, then civil society functions smoothly.
I suppose it illustrates how the individual scale of 'sufficient response' can shift. But, I also do believe that drastic time demands drastic measures. It is either very severe punishments like that, or life-long deportation, that could help now that such behaviour has begun to become normalised. Of course, on the matter of deportation, there is the discussion of how to approach a second generation immigrant, hiding behind a given citizenship. It is particularly urgent in regards to recent events.
Drastic times demand practical responses. Drastic measures made without thought have a tendency to do nothing, or worse, fuck things up greater. Such behaviour is already normalized amongst elite groups, but is morally unacceptable amongst most Europeans, thus there is no need for such a fucked up PR campaign. In regards to justice, life imprisonment or capital punishment for slavery would more than suffice, with additional money needed to ensure that any such individuals incarcerated were not in contact with the rest of the prison populace. I don't think deportation is any good measure in regards to violent or organized criminals, as there is a twofold risk of them becoming a plague upon their home country and of forging international links with their associates in their country of last call and their country of current residence. Europeans may not understand why they are paying for the food, water and safety of slavers and child torturers, but it is truly more economical to keep such persons under watch and key than to risk losing them abroad. Capital punishment solves that issue easily, however I am always concerned with executions of innocent men wrongly convicted - especially in such cases involving great passion and public pressure. Thus I only think capital punishment for re-offenders is an acceptable rule, as not only does it allow people their second chances, it also greatly reduces the risk of an innocent man being executed (if a man is wrongly convicted for a capital crime twice, he is needless to say, very unlucky).
Jolly, jolly times, aren't they?
Honestly I believe if officials merely exercised the duties they are currently obligated to carry out things would never have gotten this bad and would remain fine. But dude money lmao
People seem to react better to it, recognizing the problem but realizing that going full panic about it doesnt solve anything and in fact just plays into the terrorist's hands.
The general idea is, I think the UK will get out of this a whole lot better than france will.
Wether one likes Tommy Robinson or not, its hard to disagree with his arguments, specially when the counter arguments are just the same repetitive drivel about such things having nothing to do with islam because magic, coupled with the smug fake laughter of cowards who refuse to deal with the problem in front of them
To be fair, France is in the schengen area and has been fucked even more by the EU than the UK has when it comes to progressive liberalism versus the nation state. Also in regards to Tommy Robinson, he's wrong, buying into the clash of civilizations narrative which if adopted as policy would start WWIII. Not sure if anyone would emerge from that alive tbh
But it is interesting that for as long as libs attack and deny anything is wrong, that everyone who tries to point this out is evil and ignorant, extremists are gonna seem reasonable. All the facebook pics and diversity is our strengths in the world cannot change that people are losing morale in the West >_>
I'm starting to wonder at how bad some many of these supposedly terrorists are at their job. It's like the Orly dude, what kind of radical jihadi get drunk before his attack? It's starting to look like suicide by cop more than anything else.
There's five main terrorist roles that reach news often
-The lone wolf unplanned attack. Usually done by some ordinary enough bloke who pledges allegiance to a terrorist group, but otherwise has no military training.
-The planned attack. Done by veteran jihadis or those who have received training from jihadi officers, or are themselves defected military units.
-The returned gun. Trains other jihadis when they get home, thinks they are badman who have joined the biggest gang. Probably not wrong
-The specialist, recruits skilled jihadis who work in advanced support roles to do with spreading of media, logistics, medicine, finance etc., mostly from Uni groups
-The cleric, old guy who is getting Saudi money or working in a charity to link people up with on the ground contacts in the ME
The only problem with the idea of blocking out people from North Africa, Turkey, and the MidEast (dunno if you're singling out Eastern Europe seriously or being ironic in the British way, going with Britishly ironic) is that the guy was born in the UK. There is little information on what exactly the background of the person is though.
Basically, keeping people out does nothing to stop those that were radicalized on home soil.
Also, it appears that another person in Antwerp tried to do a terror attack but failed.
Not being ironic, in any sense of the word.
I don't understand your logic. Having an open border with the ME, NA and EE meant that returning jihadis from training camps or conflict zones in Africa and the Middle East could return home to radicalize impressionable young uns in their community. It's going to keep happening as long as that gate is open. In addition to the money from drug and human trafficking, not just from the ME and NA routes, Eastern Europe cannot at all be ignored in its role in supplying jihadis with weapons and drugs. Soviet and Russian surplus trading hands through black markets ends up in the hands of guess who? And of course, mass immigration's role itself cannot be ignored, when you can't control for crime, education and culture nor ties to extremism for the millions of young men you're inviting to replace your old fogeys, you're courting disaster.
Seriously I don't understand this logic at all, that because Europe has allowed the problem to grow so fiercely they now have domestic jihad fronts, they must allow the problem to grow even greater. This is like how they dealt with the migration crisis, they explicitly waited until it was out of control before they acted and tried to control the uncontrollable. It's frustrating really D:
This is what this kind of argument looks like to me:
"The only problem with regulating CO2 output is that lots of CO2 emissions are produced at home. Moreover, so much CO2 has been released, that we'll still be dealing with the consequences 50 years from now, therefore we should not bother, and allow CO2 emissions to increase exponentially."
That is also true, I do not quite know how 'precise' a lobotomy could be. If they could be made harmless and witless, without being reduced too far as to become vegetables that cannot do more basic tasks. Perhaps it could be an idea for the future, if technology advances to the degree that a computer could interface with a warm body, and make it useful. Perhaps as a form of bio-robot. Rather intriguing idea, I must say... But I should probably speculate about it on my own time.
Still, for Mme Guillotine. She is still the best solution available, for many cases. Very dependable.
Oi, the Imperium of Man is not a model to emulate willingly. If we can avoid Grimdark, we will avoid Grimdark. Lobotomised servitors is much too much grimdark to consider, and easily violates a great deal basic dignities we afford to all men, criminal and innocent, cruel and kind alike.
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