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[Sergarr]

You guys of all should know how ideological subversion works

I hope it wouldn't be a very big revelation to you that Sun Tzu as seen by Russians is a, more or less, just another obscure historical figure? Really, the fascination and reverence that the Westerners have with him is quite a bit alien to me. "Art of War", uhuh. How about "Science of victory"? Really, Suvorov himself was the living proof that proper discipline and organization beats anything "formless" all time every time.

[Loud Whispers]

You guys of all should know how ideological subversion works

I hope it wouldn't be a very big revelation to you that Sun Tzu as seen by Russians is a, more or less, just another obscure historical figure? Really, the fascination and reverence that the Westerners have with him is quite a bit alien to me. "Art of War", uhuh. How about "Science of victory"? Really, Suvorov himself was the living proof that proper discipline and organization beats anything "formless" all time every time.

Yey

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Oh, and on the topic of Sun Tzu, I do not represent the West on him. It's a bit weird why the West is so fascinated by him, I get a hearty cackle reading of sergeants in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms berating their superior officers for following the Art of War instead of common sense, as the Art of War even millennia ago was known not to be the end-all perfection of military strategy. I reckon it's to do with how he's required reading for most people going into business, politics or warfare, so he has become part of international culture

[martinuzz]

In the nuclear reactor of Flamanville (France), an explosion occured this morning. Initially there were some reports of injuries by the French radio channel M6 Media, but apparently no one was injured.
No radiation was released either.

According to energy corporation EDF, at 8:45 this morning an explosion occured in the machine room of reactor 1. The explosion was caused by a fire. The cause of the fire is as of yet unknown.
The reactor has been shut down.

http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/explosie-in-franse-kerncentrale~ad6926c5/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38918010

[smjjames]

At least it wasn't the reactor itself, which is the part you REALLY don't want exploding. O.o

[martinuzz]

The Dutch FNV Labour Union warns that active policy and investment by the government is needed to solve the growing shortage of nurses and other healthcare workers. Low salaries, (starting salary for a nurse is maybe 10 euros a month more than minimum wage, and it won't even be raised anywhere near modal income over a lifelong career) combined with ever increasing workload due to budget cuts have led to less and less people choosing a career in the field, and more and more dropping out to find work in another sector (not to mention those that drop out into years of burnout and disability to work). To add to the problem, rich arab contries like Qatar have discovered the high quality education of Dutch healthcare workers, and are actively recruiting from the dwindling pool by offering royal salaries.

[Jopax]

Croatia has a similar problem of bleeding educated and skilled doctors to the point where the government is scrambling to figure out how to keep them. Who knew that a decent standard of living with humane working hours is so tempting.

[Sheb]

I think I read somewhere that fully 92% of Bulgarian doctors plan on emigrating.

[hector13]

Croatia has a similar problem of bleeding educated and skilled doctors to the point where the government is scrambling to figure out how to keep them. Who knew that a decent standard of living with humane working hours is so tempting.

Eh, you'll get them back when Brexit goes through.

Or they'll just go to Germany, whatever.

[Antioch]

Croatia has a similar problem of bleeding educated and skilled doctors to the point where the government is scrambling to figure out how to keep them. Who knew that a decent standard of living with humane working hours is so tempting.

Humane working hours <-> working in healthcare

Pick one.

Anywhere in the world.

[ChairmanPoo]

I thought doctors in the Netherlands were well paid. Then again, I live in the country with the worst doctors-wages-to -cost-of-living ratio of Western Europe.

I'll probably leave for Ireland in the nex two months anyhow (unless something goes wrong with my IMC registration), at least for the next 6-12 months.

Humane working hours <-> working in healthcare

Pick one.

Anywhere in the world.

Yes, but some places are worse than others.
In my homeland the law is not the worst in that regard in fact, by far. Problem is that the law gets ignored all too often, specially where junior doctors are involved (not that it's my case anymore... and in fact my overlords didnt dare to pull that shit on *me*.... but it IS a problem for many other people)

For the record: EU law limits theoretical resident work hours to 48... but I dont know many places that respect that.

[Jopax]

That's because they're usually short on staff so they can't really afford to do that. If you have enough doctors you don't need to overwork them, which is rarely the case in these parts.

[martinuzz]

I thought doctors in the Netherlands were well paid.

Doctors (GPs, specialists, psychiatrists) are well paid. Nurses, and various healthcare staff working in elderly care are not.

[Antioch]

I thought doctors in the Netherlands were well paid.

Doctors (GPs, specialists, psychiatrists) are well paid. Nurses, and various healthcare staff working in elderly care are not.

Specialists get paid well, base doctors do not (though "ok"). Medicine students have 2.5 years of internship in the hospital in which they get a whopping 0 euro.

So basically you already work in a hospital for about 7.5 years before you get paid well.

[ChairmanPoo]

Out of idle curiosity, how much is "well paid"? Right now I'm getting 60-70K € (It will probably end up lower because the biggest problem for specialists in Spain is that employment is highly precarious. I've worked like... 70% of the last eight months, with two or three large hiccups of one month or so. But I'm talking about a theoretical yearly-employment-with-my-current-wages. Before I leave I estimate I'll get 50-60% of the nine months I've been spinning around here). I expect the Irish to pay me around two to two and a half times as much.

Now, this is not as much about the money as it's about the perks. During the last year I've been stuck in a very small hospital in which our staff is very small (other two consultants and me), we don't get to do the more interesting stuff (or even the middling interesting stuff) and instead get a lot of chaff consultations. In my prospective employment I get a proper haemato-oncology consultation, and several junior doctors at my disposal. So it's a significative improvement. And there's also the €€€ of course, but it's not my primary consideration. It will, however, probably mean that once I start this (assuming I dont get any further paperwork problems...) I'll buy some stuff I had been wondering about for a while (eg: a 3d printer, a telescope. Possibly a new high-end laptop...)

I hope it goes alright. If I got my vibes right from the interview they intend to give me quite a few multiple myeloma patients. Which is a good thing.

[smjjames]

How is multiple cancer patients a good thing?....