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[Vilanat]

Thanks for the history lesson. what was it purpose, again? you need to catch up on conversations, smjjames, it was Kot that referred to them as Non-natives.

[Sergarr]

The best example of Israel not being a good idea is the fact that the second they stop having external help from USA they would get steamrolled into ground...

Ahaha no. Arabs are trash at war, and while Israeli aren't the best army in the world, they're good enough to savage people who believe that Allah guides their bullets individually like no tomorrow - even if you forget the "little" fact that they have nuclear weapons. Which, BTW, were not given to them by Americans, but rather by cooperative efforts with France. USA was actually rather miffed by Israel having made nukes.

Do I need to mention that no Arab state is even close to producing their own nuclear weapons? Hell, they don't even have their own domestic conventional weaponry, they subsist purely on buying foreign weapons.

[Loud Whispers]

>Arab boycott
>Dutch banks.
>Implying Dutch banks are Arab.

>implying they're not

[smjjames]

The non-native argument is still BS because both groups in the Israel-Palestine region have tribes who have been living there for centuries, even millenia.

[Vilanat]

So? that wasn't even remotely the meat of his or my argument.

[smjjames]

>Arab boycott
>Dutch banks.
>Implying Dutch banks are Arab.

>implying they're not

I was being sarcastic and poking his logic.

So? that wasn't even remotely the meat of his or my argument.

What was the meat of your and his argument? The borders?

[martinuzz]

Btw, i assume you have a proof that Mekorot is breaching international law?

No, why would I need that? I am not the one accusing them, I'm just passing on general knowledge (at least, it was public enough to be on national news here back when it was brought up) Look up the UN reports yourself.

The Arab boycott against Israel that started in 1945 you mentioned has little to do with it by the way, even though it's definitly a thing. It has more to do with our government urging business to try and be compliant with international law regarding doing business with companies operating in territories which are considered by the UN to be illegally occupied.

Don't get me wrong. I fully acknowledge and support Israel's right to exist, and defend itself. That doesn't mean I can't critisize it as well for immoral practice, for example when some New York governor is trying to boycott our national business by using false arguments on behalf of Israel.

[Loud Whispers]

I was being sarcastic and poking his logic.

I was just having a laff too, all good nature

[Kot]

I'll try to ignore most of what you said, because heil. But can you point a single country on this planet that isn't made up with a made up border?

...any of them whose borders are mostly adherent to local culture and population and are not arbitrary chunks of land in middle of someones else backyard?
I mean, right, basically everyone has some problems when it comes to that but there's a difference between a (only an example) minority being not satisfied with their representation and wanting to have their own country based on them being different in their culture but still being peaceful and accepting of other people living there, and settling down on a piece of land owned by someone else based on that there was a different country there BCE that you can vaguely trace back to and then starting shit with neighbors who are already pissed off by you doing basically whatever you want.

And btw, if Israel is employing shady as fuck techniques to get rid of non-natives (I persume it's the Arabs), how come the Arab population in Israel and the Palestinian Authority grew significantly yet Jews population in Arab countries shrank significantly?

Arab population grows because Arab fucks and has babies on the land their whole family lived on.
Jew population shrank because Jew moved to Israel and then fucked and had babies there because it's their land now.

Thanks for the history lesson. what was it purpose, again? you need to catch up on conversations, smjjames, it was Kot that referred to them as Non-natives.

I didin't. When I said non-native I meant the Americans from the example. While, yes, that's not a perfect example but then I don't think you can give a perfect one because Israel situation is so goddamn unique.

The best example of Israel not being a good idea is the fact that the second they stop having external help from USA they would get steamrolled into ground...

Ahaha no. Arabs are trash at war, and while Israeli aren't the best army in the world, they're good enough to savage people who believe that Allah guides their bullets individually like no tomorrow - even if you forget the "little" fact that they have nuclear weapons. Which, BTW, were not given to them by Americans, but rather by cooperative efforts with France. USA was actually rather miffed by Israel having made nukes.

Do I need to mention that no Arab state is even close to producing their own nuclear weapons? Hell, they don't even have their own domestic conventional weaponry, they subsist purely on buying foreign weapons.

The only reason Israel is so good at war is because:
A) USA helped them train.
B) USA supplied them until they got it going.
C) USA provides them with political and economical support.
D) Got nukes from France, also external help.
Sure, if USA said that they're not going to support Jews they wouldn't spontanously dissapear but, provided they don't get support from somewhere else, but in the long run they would finally collapse.
And Arab isin't trash at war. Arab is actually, CONSIDERING WHAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH, fucking genius at war. They make effective weapons out of literal shit. They utilize tactics that are most suitable for their situation and their fanaticism helps them if anything - while it seems retarded, the simple calculation that taking out few dozen men and military-grade equipment for the cost of losing a truck with explosives and one man checks out. Just imagine what they could do if they had actual industry.
Though, I agree, in the current state of Arab that was a hyperbole at best.

Also, eh, I don't say this in the spirit of "REMOVE JEW REMOVE JEW", since trying to unfuck what was fucked would bring even more fuckery, but rather that the Israelis aren't the good guys here (not that Arab is, for that matter) and the Arab boycott is completly and perfectly fucking understandable.

[Vilanat]

Arab population grows because Arab fucks and has babies on the land their whole family lived on.
Jew population shrank because Jew moved to Israel and then fucked and had babies there because it's their land now.

Nonsense. the Stork deliver babies. it's common knowledge.

[martinuzz]

Also, eh, I don't say this in the spirit of "REMOVE JEW REMOVE JEW", since trying to unfuck what was fucked would bring even more fuckery, but rather that the Israelis aren't the good guys here (not that Arab is, for that matter) and the Arab boycott is completly and perfectly fucking understandable.

If anyone has been treating the Palestinians badly, it's the Arab nations themselves. They're not welcome anywhere. The Arab boycot towards Israel as a whole is unjust and hypocritical, and their continued meddling contributes as much to the continuation of conflict as Israel's colonization of occupied territory.

[Wolfhunter107]

Yeah.

[Vilanat]

Btw, i assume you have a proof that Mekorot is breaching international law?

No, why would I need that? I am not the one accusing them, I'm just passing on general knowledge (at least, it was public enough to be on national news here back when it was brought up) Look up the UN reports yourself.

The Arab boycott against Israel that started in 1945 you mentioned has little to do with it by the way, even though it's definitly a thing. It has more to do with our government urging business to try and be compliant with international law regarding doing business with companies operating in territories which are considered by the UN to be illegally occupied.

Don't get me wrong. I fully acknowledge and support Israel's right to exist, and defend itself. That doesn't mean I can't critisize it as well for immoral practice, for example when some New York governor is trying to boycott our national business by using false arguments on behalf of Israel.

Ha, didn't catch your reply.

The validity of that report is crucial to determine whether the New York governor is using a false argument or not, right? because if that report is false, then that Dutch company is simply boycotting an Israeli company for being Israeli (even if unknowingly).

That report is obviously false, it doesn't even match the official PA water usage data and the reasons that this report ever seen the light of day is because of the same reasons that fueled the Arab boycott.

Look, Mekorot is in charge of supplying water to the palestinians so if it wants to comply to International Law (Oslo Accords) it must operate within the West Bank.
does it pump water from the mountain Aquifer from within the West Bank? yes, to some minimal extent (Not remotely to the same extent palestinians pump water in pirate wells). does it sell some of that water to Israelis? yes. but that's just because Israel and the PA have established a mutual water management agency that distribute water between them. Mekorot also takes water from the Sea of Galilee and sell it to palestinians (Cheaper than what they sell it to me, btw), Mekorot takes water from Israel's desalination plants and sell them at a cheaper price to palestinians and Mekorot also takes water from the Sea of Galilee and Israel's water reservoirs and artificially recharge the mountain Aquifer. after all of this, the net gain for palestinians well exceeds even the illegal pumping by palestinians that pose a serious threat to theirs and Israel's Mountain Aquifer water quality. And not only Mekorot delivers far more than what it pumps from within the West Bank, it also supplies significantly more water than agreed upon in the Oslo accords.

Might as well get all the specious accusations of anti-semitism contained to the same couple of pages - Danish doctors want to ban circumcision for the under-18s.

Here's hoping it comes to pass.

It's a barbaric tradition that should be stopped. still doesn't excuse antisemitism.

[Kot]

If anyone has been treating the Palestinians badly, it's the Arab nations themselves. They're not welcome anywhere. The Arab boycot towards Israel as a whole is unjust and hypocritical, and their continued meddling contributes as much to the continuation of conflict as Israel's colonization of occupied territory.

(not that Arab is, for that matter)

still doesn't excuse antisemitism.

For future reference - I'm not antisemitist, I hate Germans too! And muslims! And Russians! And French! And Americans! And British! And everyone else, including Poles!

[Loud Whispers]

u sound like xenos m8 are you sure you're not at least super heretic or somethin