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[smjjames]

http://www.politico.eu/article/amsterdam-considers-wolf-whistling-ban/

Lolwut Dutch? Banning what's essentially free speech (even if not polite) and having moral secret police (anonymous monitors totally sounds like 'secret police' doesn't it?) isn't the way to go around trying to solve the female harrassment issue.

Doesn't the Netherlands have laws against sexual harrassment? Maybe try enforcing those?

[Baffler]

Doesn't the Netherlands have laws against sexual harrassment? Maybe try enforcing those?

That's what this new law intends to help them do.

[smjjames]

Doesn't the Netherlands have laws against sexual harrassment? Maybe try enforcing those?

That's what this new law intends to help them do.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions though.

Not saying that the mayor intends to do bad things, just that what might seem like a good idea, isn't really.

It wouldn't even pass the smell test here in the US because first amendment.

[martinuzz]

It's not a new law. It's a city ordinance by the city of Amsterdam. The government has already stated that it is probably unconstitutional for violating free speech. The mayor of Amsterdam however says that by putting it in an ordinance and referring it to public order and safety, it would be legal.

I do love free speech, but I don't think going "pssst whore! Wanna fuck? Can I fuck you please? Or can you at least suck my dick a little?*" is a shining example of free speech, so I applaud the initiative to make women feel less verbally abused on a daily basis.

* not making this up. A year or so ago, one of our tv channels did a hidden camera documentary on verbal abuse of women in Amsterdam. It's full of scum asking women to fuck and calling them whore.

[Loud Whispers]

http://www.politico.eu/article/amsterdam-considers-wolf-whistling-ban/

Lolwut Dutch? Banning what's essentially free speech (even if not polite) and having moral secret police (anonymous monitors totally sounds like 'secret police' doesn't it?) isn't the way to go around trying to solve the female harrassment issue.

Doesn't the Netherlands have laws against sexual harrassment? Maybe try enforcing those?

Normal day in Amsterdam

[DreamerGhost]

There are many providers of VPN, they can't get all of them. But damn am I glad that I don't live in England. Sharia is creeping up on it still.

[TheBiggerFish]

There are many providers of VPN, they can't get all of them. But damn am I glad that I don't live in England.

Can ditto.

[SirQuiamus]

*looks at thread*

*sees people worrying about My Little Pony*

what?!

My Little Pony: The most volatile topic on Bay12. Never, ever go there.

[Strife26]

Doesn't the Netherlands have laws against sexual harrassment? Maybe try enforcing those?

That's what this new law intends to help them do.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions though.

Not saying that the mayor intends to do bad things, just that what might seem like a good idea, isn't really.

It wouldn't even pass the smell test here in the US because first amendment.

It's been very close to passing SC scrutiny in the US, with the idea that the government is totally competent to decide new categories of non-protected speech (as opposed to the traditional, limited few) based on ad-hoc balancing of "societal value"

The bulwark of the First Amendment is getting to be pretty Maginot looking these days.

_{I referred to the Maginot Line, so it's totes germane to the thread}

[hector13]

The Maginiot Line was neither friendly nor polite.

[smjjames]

Swiss cheese would probably have been better, and still germa-, wait, Switzerland isn't actually in the EU, but it IS Europe.

[martinuzz]

There's been some ongoing news over here about sports fields made from artificial grass. An extensive field studies has shown that use and wear of the grass give off particles that go far above the upper limits for carcinogenic and toxological values for safe consumer use. This is possible, because the artificial grass is not classified as a consumer product, but as an industrial product, for which the upper limit is 1000x higher than for consumer products.

Toxological experts are stressing the government to try to force the EU to change artificial grass from industrial to consumer product.

No studies have been done yet as to the specific health effects of coming into contact with the rubber granulate particles, short term or long term.
Sports clubs all over the country though are deciding to stop playing on artificial fields, especially for children, and are demanding artificial grass be replaced with real grass.

This is going to cost our cities millions if not over a billion, replacing fields and installing growing lamps in roofed stadiums.

This is what researchers managed to get off an artificial grass field by a quick scoop with some simple gardening tools. These are just the more visible particles. There's fine dust too.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[martinuzz]

Pretty sure I recall reading that the black grainy stuff in astroturf is incredibly carcinogenic a while back. IIRC it's made out of shredded tyres.

Yep, main ingredient are shredded tires indeed.

[Egan_BW]

Huh. If I knew that stuff so so carcinogenic, I wouldn't have poked it so much.

[Sergarr]

Someone dun goofed, hard.

Loathing in Parliament about discrimination complaints

THE HAGUE (Reuters) - The Lower House is horrified reaction to a position of the Hotline Internet Discrimination (MiND). MiND find that negative statements about gay people should be seen by Muslims in the context of faith.

For the independent MPs Joram van Klaveren and Louis Bontes this response to a discrimination error message and unacceptable. They proposed Thursday to ask the Ministers of Justice and Social Affairs after ThePostOnline website had published the views of MiND.

According to the two MPs MiND suggests that violent hate gay allowed under Islam. Inciting violence would be no problem if that happens from the Islamic belief.

Prosecution

These things always belong to the Public Prosecution, said the MPs. Islam and other philosophies of life can never be used as an excuse for actual discrimination or inciting violence.

MiND late in a statement Thursday afternoon know that - after review - there is a ,, error of assessment '' of some expressions. ,, There is some expressions question of a seditious nature and inciting violence. In these cases, the context is not important. ""

fuss

The noise comes at the time the grant MiND is under discussion. A majority in parliament called Wednesday for the enforcement of financial support. According to Labour MP Ahmed Marcouch MiND plays an important part in the gathering of expressions of group discrimination on the Internet. Recently, gay interest group COC called out to maintain the hotline.