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[Erkki]

Hundreds of rounds?

One can buy STANAG compatible 100+ magazines. Up to 150 at least. No special license needed. Typical practical rifle course requires 50+ shots so at least one magazine change with standard magazines, which means theres some advantage in using a large drum mag, but those larger ones are also so heavy(and not always very reliably feeding) so even the pros still use 30 rounds mags.

If you thought of belts... Well, the belt feds are all open bolt = categorically full auto capable = banned from everyone but collectors already.

I need to pick this out of the post because duh, of course, everybody would like that to be the case. But then you have to acknowledge that Sweden is the (or at least was at some point during the last year, don't know if the statistics are stills standing) the second largest contributor of ISIS volounteers per capita in Europe. Sweden is also one of the providers of the largest amounts of social services and rehabilitation programs. It didn't stop all of those people. This isn't a problem that can be fought in such ways.

I believe Finland is within the top 3 too. Jihadis are going to Jihad with free social services or without. Most of them apparently arrive as immigrants/asylum seekers and already radicalized, or that happens at early age within the muslim communities. Because they just dont get integrated very well nor quickly. Unfortunately.

[Egan_BW]

Most religions don't offer salvation in exchange for slaughtering the infidel

FIRST FIRST FIRST glorious amendment to the PERFECT in every way ten-thousand folded USA CONSTITUTION get rekt filthy rightless eruoo

[Orange Wizard]

What the fuck did you just fucking say about socialists, you libertarian pig? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Red Army, and Ive been involved in numerous secret raids on the bourgeoisie, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and Im the top sniper in the entire USSR armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another reactionary. I will gulag you with precision the likes of which has not been seen seen since 1917, mark my fucking dialectic. You think you can get away with saying reactionary bullshit over the Internet? Think again, bourgeois swine. As we speak I am contacting the KGB and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, capitalist dog. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your private property. You're fucking dead, libertarian swine. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over one thousand, nine hundred seventeen different ways, and thats just with Hegelianism. Not only am I extensively trained in historical materialism, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Army and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable capitalist ass off the face of the planet, you bourgeois pig. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little reactionary comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldnt, you didnt, and now youre paying the price, you goddamn Trump-voting fascist. I will shit real liberation all over you and you will drown in it. Youre fucking dead, bourgeois swine.

[smjjames]

It's funny when people say Gorilla warfare when they really mean geurilla warfare.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It's funny when people say Gorilla warfare when they really mean guevesa warfare.

[Rolepgeek]

I feel like social programs and rehabilitation should be expanded to prevent shit from happening in first place.

I need to pick this out of the post because duh, of course, everybody would like that to be the case. But then you have to acknowledge that Sweden is the (or at least was at some point during the last year, don't know if the statistics are stills standing) the second largest contributor of ISIS volounteers per capita in Europe. Sweden is also one of the providers of the largest amounts of social services and rehabilitation programs. It didn't stop all of those people. This isn't a problem that can be fought in such ways.

Per capita of immigrants, or per capita overall? Because if I remember right, they also took in the most refugees, to the point that it strained those social services nearly to bursting. Throw enough dice and you'll get 1s, no matter how many sides they have. I also doubt those social services were designed with this sort of thing in mind.

If we're talking about new migrants, I think disallowing single men without children under the age of, like, forty or fifty, from coming in wouldn't be necessarily a bad idea. But the ones who get radicalized when already in the western countries usually do so in small groups, not in Muslim communities. Excepting those mosques which preach violence, but those are the minority.

The only solution I can see is eradicating any branch of Islam (or any ideology, really) that encourages murder and terrorism.

It's going to piss off all the freedom of speech people but there really has to be some point where society as a whole can say "enough is enough".

How do you propose doing that, though? What do you think it would solve? If we knew where and how they were getting radicalized, and could accurately tell when, we'd be busting doors in and arresting people on conspiracy charges.

It's funny when people say Gorilla warfare when they really mean guevesa warfare.

Best Empire

[Orange Wizard]

How do you propose doing that, though? What do you think it would solve? If we knew where and how they were getting radicalized, and could accurately tell when, we'd be busting doors in and arresting people on conspiracy charges.

Massive amounts of censorship tbh

It's funny when people say Gorilla warfare when they really mean geurilla warfare.

No I mean gorilla warfare. We use literal gorillas.

[hector13]

What protection did Hamza receive from the European Court of Human Rights?

[hector13]

He had been imprisoned for that already though; 7 year sentence in '06. While I in no way condone anything of what he did or what he stood for, he has the same rights as everyone else.

The extradition was delayed rather than stopped over concerns that he'd receive similar treatment to the detainees in Guantanamo Bay, life imprisonment without parole, and being held in isolation for extended periods of time. Basically inhumane treatment, a violation of Article 3 (I think) of the European Convention for Human Rights. He was eventually extradited after those concerns were assuaged.

[Rolepgeek]

If we're talking about new migrants, I think disallowing single men without children under the age of, like, forty or fifty, from coming in wouldn't be necessarily a bad idea. But the ones who get radicalized when already in the western countries usually do so in small groups, not in Muslim communities. Excepting those mosques which preach violence, but those are the minority.

We already villify men enough in our own society. If we're going to go down the route of discriminating based on such characteristics, I'd rather do it by religion or race than gender. Let's take some Coptics or Yazidis rather than yet more Muslims.

There's such hypocrisy in those who shout out #YesAllMen one minute and #NotAllMuslims the next.

? So you'd rather discriminate against any Muslims on what evidence? Because I say that since from previous evidence with migrants, young single men are the ones starting shit most often. If you wanna go full anti-feminist or some bullshit here, because you think I'm trying to rebel against the patriarchy, just say it so I can tell you you're wrong. Here I was thinking I was being a bad liberal for proposing such a measure, and you manage to turn it around and make it seem like it's to hate men, rather than to limit violence, while you complain about people doing the exact same thing with measures you would like to limit violence and they say you're racist. What the fuck, dude. At least have some goddamned consistency.

[Orange Wizard]

? So you'd rather discriminate against any Muslims on what evidence? Because I say that since from previous evidence with migrants, young single men are the ones starting shit most often.

This is actually a fair point, seeing as a number of attacks are done by people with fairly minimal religious background. Ultimately any kind of security has to discriminate based on something, so discriminating against the demographics most likely to commit terror is entirely reasonable.

[Rolepgeek]

I mean, from a behavioral background it makes sense. Young single men are the ones usually starting stupid shit in our culture as well, for that matter. Being part of a couple tends to drain away some of that need to prove yourself, helps steady emotions, cultural norms about monogamy are strong enough to counter most of the violence that occurs out of jealousy, or restrain it to those individuals(so maybe it just gets translated into domestic abuse, now that I think about it. Fuck, that's a catch-22 for you.), and testosterone rage plus culture shock of 'why are these women less clad than the prostitutes in [neighboring city]?' and of course, media pressure about western culture being racist confirming that yes, this is indeed society shunning you, not just the actions of a few dipshits who decided to smash up your mailbox and key racial slurs into your door, which your landlord now wants you to pay to fix.

The average person is not a terrorist. The average person is not a rapist or a murderer. But the way the genetic, cultural, political, social, and individual (if that last makes any sense? it's hard to convey what I'm trying to say here) system combined is set up, means that if you want damage control measures, and to do the most good for the most people, allowing in families, the elderly, children, and women is probably the way to do it. I'd put priorities on families first, since they need fewer rooms for more people and are more likely to be stable, children and elderly second, young single women third.

Would it be perfect? No, because this is about trends. Nobody notices the terrorist attacks that don't happen. Nobody notices the man who, upon the last straw being placed upon the camel's back, chooses to vent about it to his social worker before he goes searching for articles about why coming to the West was so stupid. But it would help, and it wouldn't result in us complaining about a court of Human Rights, or talking about how we shouldn't let Muslims in, just those other ethnicities and religious groups. I'm all for letting them in, mind, I just don't see why that serves as justification to keep Muslims out.

Mind, I still want to stomp on ISIS with a big boot labeled "Tanks 'n Shit', and smash it again for good measure every time it starts to rise up in lich-like stasis, but you know. That's apparently out of the question. Velvet glove and an iron fist put together usually work better than apart. >_>

[Erkki]

If Europe wants to help people from Syria or Iraq by bringing them to Europe(and not helping them where they are) the it would IMHO be best to bring all kinds of people and families directly from camps in Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Iraq etc. And seal the Schengen borders as airtight as possible.

IMHO the people that need help the most are the ones that arent able to leave the conflict zones, and right after those come the ones that cant escape further than refugee camps. Though at this point I've been a racist whose opinion doesnt matter because I dont support the current immigration/refugee politics for years already.

[martinuzz]

Today in France, anti terrorist forces arrested a 16 year old girl in Melun, a town near Paris. She was discovered to be admin for a Jihadi propaganda chatroom on Telegram, in which she spread IS propaganda messages, recruited people to fight Jihad in France, and called upon people to commit acts of terror. She also wrote that she was preparing to take action herself.

The girl, who had not been in contact with the police before, is described as 'extremely radicalized' by the public prosecutor, and will face charges of membership of a criminal terrorist organisation.
The girl's parents' house has been searched by the police, but no weapons or explosives were found. Her laptop and pc are still being investigated.

Earlier this year, in march, police also arrested two teenage girls on charges of preparing a terrorist attack. But those had to be released for lack of evidence.


Meh they should have waited with arresting her for another 2 years. Right now, she'll be released and her record cleared within 2 years, once she turns 18.

[DJ]

I don't get why any refugees need to be allowed to roam free in EU countries. Build enclosed refugee camps, and if anybody doesn't like it in there they can go back to where they came from. Getting out into the general society of their host country should have asimiliation as a pre-requisite.