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[smjjames]

It's not 100% clear whether it was just one person though I don't think. Theres also supposed to be a news conference soon.

And it appears that the guy was a german-iranian.

[martinuzz]

Apparently the police thought there were 3 shooters because people said 2 people got into a car after the shots were fires and sped away. Police have tracked the car and people, and the two had nothing to do with the shooting they were just random people who got in their car.

At least, that's what police says. It's a possibility though that the police just says that, to stop the panic. Can't have 6 million inhabitant cities on lockdown, plus the surrounding cities crammed with people sleeping in trains for over a day, in fear of 2 people with guns.

There's another unconfirmed report about the dead perpetrator. People said he was seen earlier, angrily shouting "I'm german".

[Vilanat]

He was shouting i'm German in a response to an actual German dude cursing him for being a foreigner terrorist twat. that he was born and raised in Germany is a very little consolation to those dead kids parents i bet, plus, it is much scarier than if he was just a typical foreign born refugee, since those are easier to track. that it would definitely somehow serve as a counter argument for the anti-refugee/anti-immigrants people is pretty baffling.

Also, if you followed Twitter last night it was easy to notice that this video was the subject of an extremely lengthy propaganda attempt to picture this incident as right-wing related. the "problem" with this propaganda is that even though it has/had no grounds, it already sparked a conspiracy theory that the German police is hiding the fact it was indeed a right winger and the Muslim Iranian was just a patsy.

[ChairmanPoo]

... wait. So someone in a balcony hears there's shooting, and his reaction is to come out and shout racist slurs at the shooter? Who in turn stops his initial murderous plan to defend that he's German born? Sounds surreal

[martinuzz]

As for the racist slurs, I'd give even less fucks about appearing 'racist' if I'm talking to someone who's currently engaged in shooting up my city.

It's a good thing you don't work as police negotiator. Aggravating the guy with the gun is 101 not done. The guy could just as well have triggered the shooter to shoot more people than he would have otherwise.

EDIT: I did watch that video yesterday. As far as I could tell, the shooting started after the shouting. Heard no shots before it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isthQ8dAJms

watched it again. Kinda looks like the shouter aggravated the guy into a shooting frenzy.
He did warn people though that the guy was loading his gun.

Also the transcript link you provided links to a 4chan 404 not found error

[Orange Wizard]

why would I want to negotiate with him?

Though if he did have hostages, yeah, we'd have to play nicey-nice until we got an opportunity to take him down.

Why the fuck is killing a man the first option

[martinuzz]

Because he just shot several children dead?

I mean, fuck, if he throws down his gun and says 'I surrender, please come arrest me', then obviously, arrest him. But if he's still continuing his shooting campaign and resisting arrest, why the fuck would you give him the opportunity to kill more people?

What makes you so sure he had already shot people before the shouting started?
There's no screams or panic to be heard until the shots are fired in the video.

[martinuzz]

Meanwhile in Turkey, Erdogan signed his first two presidential decrees, by the power granted to him through martial law.
In his first decree, he ordered 1000 private schools to be shut down.
In the other decree, he increased the maximum term that someone can be held by police without official charges to 30 days.

EDIT: in other news, police reports that the Munich shooter had no ties with IS or terrorism. He was, however, obsessed with US highschool shootings (police found a book on those in his room), and had made statements online glorifying a school shooting in Germany as well.

So looks like this is more of a bullied kid goes full psycho thing, where the kid happened to be half Iranian.

Nine people were killed, of whom 7 teenagers. 27 people were injured of whom 3 are still in critical condition.

[Orange Wizard]

Because he just shot several children dead?

Sorry, I forgot that murder carried with it the sentence of summary execution.

EDIT: in other news, police reports that the Munich shooter had no ties with IS or terrorism. He was, however, obsessed with US highschool shootings (police found a book on those in his room), and had made statements online glorifying a school shooting in Germany as well.

Well damn. I blame American media for glorifying the shooters all the bloody time.

[martinuzz]

I kinda still think the balcony shouter made things worse, even if they guy had just shot kids inside McDonalds. I'd say odds are very high that he would have suicided right there and then, on that roof, had the shouter not re-enraged him.

[Orange Wizard]

Yeah, maybe. Hard to say, I guess. But good idea or no, balcony dude had some serious balls.

[Orange Wizard]

Then again, a female Muslim eyewitness given the pseudonym 'Loretta' by CNN reported that he shouted 'Allahu Ackbar' while shooting, so who knows.

Eh. A singular witness isn't terribly reliable. There's no solid evidence to say he's Muslim. Then we have a crapton of school shooting malarkey, which is a very straightforward explanation.

Going full #BLM in here with this 'Police shooting a mass shooter in the middle of his rampage in a city is summary execution' stuff.

Haha, what? Please don't compare me to anti-establishment race war enthusiasts, it's very disconcerting.

In any case, I would prefer things to be solved without people getting killed. Killing the bastard, though efficacious, should always be the last resort.

[Wolfhunter107]

Then again, a female Muslim eyewitness given the pseudonym 'Loretta' by CNN reported that he shouted 'Allahu Ackbar' while shooting, so who knows.

Eh. A singular witness isn't terribly reliable. There's no solid evidence to say he's Muslim. Then we have a crapton of school shooting malarkey, which is a very straightforward explanation.

I'm not going to be terribly surprised if it turns out to be ISIS, but we'll see.

Going full #BLM in here with this 'Police shooting a mass shooter in the middle of his rampage in a city is summary execution' stuff.

Haha, what? Please don't compare me to anti-establishment race war enthusiasts, it's very disconcerting.

In any case, I would prefer things to be solved without people getting killed. Killing the bastard, though efficacious, should always be the last resort.

When you have a guy going on a rampage through a city, there really isn't any practical option other than shooting him. Trying to capture him alive only places more people at risk, both directly in the capture attempt, and also because it leaves a larger risk of him escaping and attacking more people.

[Orange Wizard]

When you have a guy going on a rampage through a city, there really isn't any practical option other than shooting him. Trying to capture him alive only places more people at risk, both directly in the capture attempt, and also because it leaves a larger risk of him escaping and attacking more people.

I don't really have any objections to how this was handled, to be fair. I was mostly put off by perceived trigger-happiness.

in my eyes the lives of the general public and of the police officers themselves are of an immeasurably higher priority than that of someone who has committed/is committing mass murder.

How do you determine the value of a life?

[smjjames]

Meanwhile in Turkey, Erdogan signed his first two presidential decrees, by the power granted to him through martial law.
In his first decree, he ordered 1000 private schools to be shut down.
In the other decree, he increased the maximum term that someone can be held by police without official charges to 30 days.

He's gone full dictator hasn't he.....

EDIT: in other news, police reports that the Munich shooter had no ties with IS or terrorism. He was, however, obsessed with US highschool shootings (police found a book on those in his room), and had made statements online glorifying a school shooting in Germany as well.

So looks like this is more of a bullied kid goes full psycho thing, where the kid happened to be half Iranian.

Nine people were killed, of whom 7 teenagers. 27 people were injured of whom 3 are still in critical condition.

I agree with you earlier that maybe the guy shouting should have been charged, or probably will from what I know of German laws. I think. So, yeah, I suppose this is looking more like one of those school shooting type things where it's a bullied kid.