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[martinuzz]

Dr Geoff Pearson, a senior lecturer in criminal law at Manchester University who was present during the Marseille riots of 1998 and in Charleroi at Euro 2000, said the scenes in Marseille over the weekend were the worst he had seen.

Dr Pearson has been highly critical in the past of French police, claiming that unlike other European forces they have not moved on from outdated crowd control methods which often make the situation worse.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/13/euro-2016-french-fail-to-arrest-any-russian-hooligans-after-mars/

French po need help

From that article:

Meanwhile, a leading figure in Russia’s football association and parliament has told fans who attacked England supporters during their European Championship match to “Keep it up”.
Igor Lebedev, a member of the executive committee of the Russian Football Union who is also deputy chairman of the national parliament, posted on Twitter: “I don’t see anything wrong with the fans fighting. Quite the opposite. Well done, lads. Keep it up!”

(guess who's getting his accounts frozen by EU sanctions next)

[Sergarr]

like I've said

football's srs bsns

they even conduct formation-based warfare with each other

[hector13]

The one thing I find difficulty in understanding is why UEFA are threatening throwing out the teams.

I mean expecting some self-policing from "real" fans is all well and good, but if you throw the team out, are you honestly expecting the folk who are there for the fighting to piss off back home? All it does is punish the folk who are there to support their team.

"Sorry, you didn't stop your fellow fans kicking the shit out other fans while you were on holiday expecting to watch football and not be unpaid police. Go away now."

[scrdest]

The one thing I find difficulty in understanding is why UEFA are threatening throwing out the teams.

I mean expecting some self-policing from "real" fans is all well and good, but if you throw the team out, are you honestly expecting the folk who are there for the fighting to piss off back home? All it does is punish the folk who are there to support their team.

"Sorry, you didn't stop your fellow fans kicking the shit out other fans while you were on holiday expecting to watch football and not be unpaid police. Go away now."

Always thought the idea was to make the legit fans put pressure on the national level to get shit sorted. It's not like these guys materialized out of thin air, they are organized and operate continuously in their home country, and unless you target that, more will show up.

[Vilanat]

Yeah, the "peer pressure" from the normal fans do help out, so is the ultras fear of seeing their home team getting thrown out, but i do wonder if the various European police departments knows the names of some of these hooligans and could have sent their names to the French police to have them stopped from getting anywhere near the stadiums during the event. i don't expect anything from the Russian authorities, but the Europeans should have had an extensive list of potential trouble makers.

[Loud Whispers]

like I've said

football's srs bsns

they even conduct formation-based warfare with each other

I love that Football fans found a way to kill someone with a newspaper

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Yeah, the "peer pressure" from the normal fans do help out, so is the ultras fear of seeing their home team getting thrown out, but i do wonder if the various European police departments knows the names of some of these hooligans and could have sent their names to the French police to have them stopped from getting anywhere near the stadiums during the event. i don't expect anything from the Russian authorities, but the Europeans should have had an extensive list of potential trouble makers.

I think ultras subculture had very little role in the recent football related violence in France.

[Loud Whispers]

Yeah, the "peer pressure" from the normal fans do help out, so is the ultras fear of seeing their home team getting thrown out, but i do wonder if the various European police departments knows the names of some of these hooligans and could have sent their names to the French police to have them stopped from getting anywhere near the stadiums during the event. i don't expect anything from the Russian authorities, but the Europeans should have had an extensive list of potential trouble makers.

Tbh estensive databases of trouble makers sounds pretty hitlery

[Vilanat]

Because trying to prevent from criminals to physically hurt others and ruin the game for millions is hitlery?

[hector13]

Er... criminal records? It's about as extensive as you need.

[Loud Whispers]

Because trying to prevent from criminals to physically hurt others and ruin the game for millions is hitlery?

Being willing to do anything to prevent criminals from physically hurting others and ruining the game for millions sounds very hitlery

[Vilanat]

You keep using that word, i do not think it means what you think it means.

[martinuzz]

I think he means Hillary

[Vilanat]

Heh, it would actually kinda do make sense if he had.

[hector13]

I think it only truly becomes Hitlery when the French round all the ultras up and gas them for being the cause of all their ills.

Otherwise it's just kinda sensible to keep people known for football-related violence away from football.