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[martinuzz]

Those pics on the packages are mostly good for psychiatrists' bankrolls.
All those poor kids with PTSS from viewing those mutilated corpses, waking up screaming in the middle of the night.

What kid wakes up screaming in the middle of the night from corpses?

They scream and cry "killsteal"

[Sheb]

So, there has been a lot of EU news about the effort to stop the extension of the licence for glyphosate herbicides.

However, I'm not here to talk about the herbicide per se, but about this part of the article:

Health and Food Safety Commissioner Vytenis Andriukaitis told his fellow 27 commissioners Tuesday that he had been privately contacted by the governments of France, Germany and Italy ahead of the vote urging the Commission to move forward with the reauthorization without their support.

According to sources familiar with the meeting, he blamed the three for silently supporting the pesticide but publicly blaming the Commission.

This crap happens all the time and it infuriate me. National government vote for proposals in the council, or push for policy at the European level, then blame the policy on the EU. Not only is it a way for national governments to avoid having to take responsability for their decisions, which destroy democratic control, but it also maintain that myht of the Commission as some kind of unelected bogeyman forcing policy down the national governments' throats. No wonder the trust in the EU is lowering all over the continent.

[JasmineJas]

I have an EpiPen. My friend gave it to me when he was dying, it seemed very important to him that I have it.

[Helgoland]

I understand where the confusion might come from, but methinks you're  in the wrong thread :v

[Sheb]

There is a neat little controversy going on about Erdogan's diploma. You apparently need a four-year degree to be President in Turkey, and it seems that Erdogan only had a 2-years degrees. The thing is full of dank meme and claim that Marmara's university president, a crony of Erdogan helped cover for him.

[Loud Whispers]

Those pics on the packages are mostly good for psychiatrists' bankrolls.
All those poor kids with PTSS from viewing those mutilated corpses, waking up screaming in the middle of the night.

What kid wakes up screaming in the middle of the night from corpses?

They scream and cry "killsteal"

They develop trauma from not being able to poke them with sticks

4. Do you believe Germans have a choice in taking in refugees

Nope. They're coming either way. I want this to happen with the least amount of friction.

The least amount of friction is the worst possible thing that can happen to Europe. They are not going to give up their culture, traditions and way of life so if there is only little friction, it only means Europe gives up its own.

So what would you do in Yurop's shoes

However, I'm not here to talk about the herbicide per se, but about this part of the article:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Health and Food Safety Commissioner Vytenis Andriukaitis told his fellow 27 commissioners Tuesday that he had been privately contacted by the governments of France, Germany and Italy ahead of the vote urging the Commission to move forward with the reauthorization without their support.
According to sources familiar with the meeting, he blamed the three for silently supporting the pesticide but publicly blaming the Commission.

This crap happens all the time and it infuriate me. National government vote for proposals in the council, or push for policy at the European level, then blame the policy on the EU. Not only is it a way for national governments to avoid having to take responsability for their decisions, which destroy democratic control, but it also maintain that myht of the Commission as some kind of unelected bogeyman forcing policy down the national governments' throats. No wonder the trust in the EU is lowering all over the continent.

"Less than six months ago, the member states and the Commission still thought it would be a piece of cake to reauthorize glyphosate in the EU." You seem to be forgetting that Vytenis is legally obliged to serve the Commission and not Lithuania as Commissioner, was placed there by Juncker and could not get anything done without this being in the Commission's wishes - which it is.
I had the pleasant surprise a few weeks ago of meeting a retired ambassador from South Africa, and what's most amusing is how one his conversations with the Norwegians went. He said what was the point of talking with them, when he could just go to the French, or British, or Germans and have Norwegian law changed? In this manner the EU has been horrendous for multilateralism. On the front of national democracy it's no secret that Prime Ministers and Presidents have used the EU to pass laws that their countries would find unfavourable, what is mythical about this notion? It's in the article you linked, and you call it mythical? The only thing that has changed is that the Commission cannot afford to incur public opinion turning against them. This is why they scheduled the Greek negotiations over how fucked they want to be until after the Referendum :P
So it just so happens that in this time when they face protests for their actions, they blame national democracy lol

10/10

[Sheb]

How is it "shoving policy down national governments' throat" when the national government privately support the policy?

[Sergarr]

How is it "shoving policy down national governments' throat" when the national government privately support the policy?

I'd wager a guess - it's because the part that privately supports the policy is the minority in the actual government, and they do this sneaky shit because they, as a minority, can't do it openly?

[Dorsidwarf]

I'd be a lot happier with the EU if it ran itself like an actual country, (or even like the Use-impaired Nations), rather than like an extended business affair.

[Sheb]

How is it "shoving policy down national governments' throat" when the national government privately support the policy?

I'd wager a guess - it's because the part that privately supports the policy is the minority in the actual government, and they do this sneaky shit because they, as a minority, can't do it openly?

Nah, it's because it's policy that is unpopular with the population at large, and it's convenient for national governments to blame it on the EU. Funnily enough, they were already managing to pull that off before the Lisbon treaty, when most EU legislation required a unanimity at the Council.

I'd be a lot happier with the EU if it ran itself like an actual country, (or even like the Use-impaired Nations), rather than like an extended business affair.

Yeah, I agree. We should remove the board of director and replace it by an elected parliament. We could even call it the European Parliament... Oh, wait.

[Orange Wizard]

I'd wager a guess - it's because the part that privately supports the policy is the minority in the actual government, and they do this sneaky shit because they, as a minority, can't do it openly?

Majority governments do sneaky shit all the time as well, mostly because the electorate doesn't like it.

But yeah, this sounds like undemocratic hijinks.

I'd be a lot happier with the EU if it ran itself like an actual country, (or even like the Use-impaired Nations), rather than like an extended business affair.

I want a bigass unitary European state.

[scriver]

I'd be a lot happier with the EU if it ran itself like an actual country, (or even like the Use-impaired Nations), rather than like an extended business affair.

Yeah, I agree. We should remove the board of director and replace it by an elected parliament. We could even call it the European Parliament... Oh, wait.

Frenchmen deciding the laws of Swedes is not good democracy.

bigass unitary European state.

I want New Zeeland to be part of the USA. New Zeeland can be best ruled by New Yorkers and Californians.

[Sheb]

I'd be a lot happier with the EU if it ran itself like an actual country, (or even like the Use-impaired Nations), rather than like an extended business affair.

Yeah, I agree. We should remove the board of director and replace it by an elected parliament. We could even call it the European Parliament... Oh, wait.

Frenchmen deciding the laws of Swedes is not good democracy.

Oh, you're moving the goalposts now. I mean, he was just talking about not running the EU like a company.

[scriver]

I can't move someone else's goalposts.

[Sheb]

Well, why are you quoting my message then, if you're not addressing my argument?