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[Shadowlord]

Then your analogy fails, because I can start talking about specific types of prostitution - the banning of some of which may be advisable.

Also I'm not entirely sure that it's impossible for a private citizen to fire a machine-gun - maybe there is such an opportunity at army PR events, I dunno.

Note to self: Create fully automatic water-cooled oil-cooled machine prostitute. (The sexy kind of oil, of course, not that black stuff!)

[Sinistar]

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1. I agree, no questions here
2. agree too
3. undecided on this one though. I mean, it really depends, if one country suddenly legalizes prostitution where it wasn't historically part of that culture, at least in wide-spread, it-exist-but-we-don't-talk-about-it format, then yeah, any person working openly as a sex worker would very probably receive some sort negative reaction from community. It might go away in few years, it might not, depending on society. As far as work interviews go though, from my experience you don't have to list every job you worked for when applying, so from where I'm standing this is a moot point though I see what you are trying to say.

So in the end it all boils down how to prevent people from being exploited. Mind you, in ideal society? In ideal society you would not have to pay for sex because sex would be either something so easy to come by (which it already is, in some places) or people would be interesting in something more transcendent than lowly meat pleasures. Or maybe it would be society without money. Idealistic thinking, I know.
I'm also not quite sure how I feel about gun comparison. Guns are tools designed to project (lethal) force and while they can be used in self defense they can also very easily be uses for variety of misdeed where on the receiving end is usually not the gun owner but someone else. Where prostitution's aim is not generally that of getting it's client hurt. If anyone, it is usually the worker that get's it...

This is getting a bit long-winded but I think we can agree that the end goal should be people having decent lives, with decent income and not being exploited, one way or the other. *shrug*

Note to self: Create fully automatic water-cooled oil-cooled machine prostitute. (The sexy kind of oil, of course, not that black stuff!)

YES

[Sheb]

Yeah, the question is "Can we prevent people from type one disguising as type 2 prostitution?" In some way keeping prostitution illegal makes it easier to fight against type 1 as it cannot disguise itself. Also, by making it legal, you create a bigger market, which mean in turn that there is more demand for it.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

How about state owned monopoly? It causes the "the state becomes interested in more prostitution" problem but it is much easier to control and regulate.

[Sheb]

That... Wouldn't be a bad idea, actually.

[MonkeyHead]

Governments generally fuck us over, in any case. Its not much of a leap for them to literally fuck us...

[Grim Portent]

It would probably be more practical, and easier to get past various political groups, to allow privately owned brothels selling sex services to exist, but require that they maintain strict minimum standards to be allowed to continue to operate.

A good general guideline would be making sure their workers get regular health checks, possibly the clientele as well, making sure they keep a client list, maintain a clean work environment and appropriate security.

[MonkeyHead]

It would probably be more practical, and easier to get past various political groups, to allow privately owned brothels selling sex services to exist, but require that they maintain strict minimum standards to be allowed to continue to operate.

A good general guideline would be making sure their workers get regular health checks, possibly the clientele as well, making sure they keep a client list, maintain a clean work environment and appropriate security.

Pretty sure there would be many volunteers to work for the department of sexual recreation as brothel inspectors to ensure standards are met, too.

[Sinistar]

Wait, we weren't talking about state owned monopoly to begin with?

... Or am I misunderstanding something, again. State monopoly as in... every porn studio/brothel/whatever is under direct supervision of the state, no option for private companies delving into sex trade?
Ok, yeah, if that is the case, we didn't talk about that.
And it is an interesting proposition, yes. It does open a whole bunch of cans of worms like what with "the state shouldn't be involved into something that may be deemed immoral" that could easily be used as an attack point by more religious folks or even some that just deem sex immoral in general. But it is interesting idea...

I'm putting it on the "things to try" list for one day when I conquer the world.

[Shadowlord]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/one-woman-helped-the-mastermind-of-the-paris-attacks-the-other-turned-him-in/2016/04/10/66bce472-fc47-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html

[Rolepgeek]

Yeah, the question is "Can we prevent people from type one disguising as type 2 prostitution?" In some way keeping prostitution illegal makes it easier to fight against type 1 as it cannot disguise itself. Also, by making it legal, you create a bigger market, which mean in turn that there is more demand for it.

I really don't get it. Is it really all that likely that legalizing prostitution would cause more people to make use of illegal prostitution? Taxation would cause more people to turn to breaking the law, in significant enough numbers, after apparently getting hooked enough on paying for sex to do it, to make things worse? As compared to black markets having to compete with legal brothels and consorts, so they couldn't charge as much?

What am I missing here, that the result could be completely counterintuitive to what I would, I think, reasonably expect?

I mean, America-related analogy, apologies, but I remember reading that the kingpin of one of the drug cartels thanked the American government for keeping the Drug War alive and well, since it meant he could make so much money off it.

Hell, Australia has legal prostitution, if I remember right. Which is really weird, considering some of the stuff that isn't legal there...

[ChairmanPoo]

... how do you exactly intend goverment-sponsored prostutution to work? 

[Ukrainian Ranger]

I really don't get it. Is it really all that likely that legalizing prostitution would cause more people to make use of illegal prostitution? Taxation would cause more people to turn to breaking the law, in significant enough numbers, after apparently getting hooked enough on paying for sex to do it, to make things worse? As compared to black markets having to compete with legal brothels and consorts, so they couldn't charge as much?

Problem is that all usual schemes of exploiting women can work rather well in legal brothels. Narcotics, illegal migrants with fake documents, forcing or intimidating.

There are not many women who are ready to take this kind of job voluntary. Legalization increases supply but demand is increased even more.
To fill that huge demand you need to find ways to force women to work for you.

[Sheb]

What UR said. The drug analogy fails, because when legalized its easy to produce a lot of drugs. It's not easy to produce a lot of prostitutes.

Also, it should be noted that the distinction between legal or not and moral or not is blurry. In the Netherlands, a lots of prostitutes are from outside the EU, working illegally, but they came knowing full well what they could expect.

[martinuzz]

working illegally, but they came knowing full well what they could expect.

Yeah, they know very well that if they fuck a couple of dozen strangers every night, that their familiy members back at home won't get assasinated.