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[smjjames]

Hey Ant, how many people in the East would be down with de-unifying Germany? The idea appears more and more appealing to me...

What would the point of that be? Though from what I hear around here, you guys would be cool with kicking Bavaria out.

Also, do you mean the menagerie of HRE states or east and west germany?

[martinuzz]

Turkey is about to start a full out war with the PKK. Europe can expect many Kurdish refugees.
Also, Erdogan has proposed to change the law, so that journalist can also be labelled as 'terrorists'

[Antsan]

Hey Ant, how many people in the East would be down with de-unifying Germany? The idea appears more and more appealing to me...

No idea. I kind of don't want to be stuck with Sachsen&Co.

Turkey is about to start a full out war with the PKK. Europe can expect many Kurdish refugees.
Also, Erdogan has proposed to change the law, so that journalist can also be labelled as 'terrorists'

As expected. I don't see how supporting Erdogan should lead to less refugees. Still it's made out to be without alternative.

[Helgoland]

Hey Ant, how many people in the East would be down with de-unifying Germany? The idea appears more and more appealing to me...

No idea. I kind of don't want to be stuck with Sachsen&Co.

Neither do I - hence the question

[Antsan]

Figured as much.

They want a wall against immigrants. Can't we just give them that? I hear walls work both ways.

[ChairmanPoo]

What's the point of it all when you're building a wall and in front of your eyes it disappears?

[Baffler]

What's the point of it all when you're building a wall and in front of your eyes it disappears?

Who knows, we're just here to arrange the blocks.

Turkey is about to start a full out war with the PKK. Europe can expect many Kurdish refugees.
Also, Erdogan has proposed to change the law, so that journalist can also be labelled as 'terrorists'

As expected. I don't see how supporting Erdogan should lead to less refugees. Still it's made out to be without alternative.
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Wasn't Turkey promised , but never given, a bunch of Euro monies to help keep things under control over there? If I am remembering right, it's not terribly surprising he's putting the screws to everything now, especially Europe. Sure he probably wanted to from the start, but having the chaos in Syria start leaking into his borders is as good a reason as any.

[Antsan]

I don't know whether he got the money or not and I don't even care, because he already did that stuff before the migrant crisis even started. But for some reason people here in Europe seem to think that ensuring he stays in power longer will mean less refugees. Which is idiotic. Erdogan is just one more tyrant, how should he lessen the crisis?

[Reelya]

I have a friend at college here who is Turkish and was telling me what a fascist Erdogan was long before it became a big news topic. I see Erdogan as one of the most dangerous rising political figures of the region.

[smjjames]

Turkey is about to start a full out war with the PKK. Europe can expect many Kurdish refugees.
Also, Erdogan has proposed to change the law, so that journalist can also be labelled as 'terrorists'

Why haven't we kicked Turkey out of NATO for Erdogan being a dictator?

(caught yo edit)Didn't Ergogan's government bomb Kurdish fighters in northern Iraq just now? Bombing those who are opposed to ISIS doesn't sound like what we should be doing right now.

They've been bombing the Kurds since the start of the whole thing.

[Reelya]

*was edited because I noted you guys were already talking about that.

For Erdogan's journalism = terrorism thing, it seems to be worded in a way that it implies you can be labelled a terrorist for supporting the same cause as a terrorist, even if you don't actually support the tactics of terrorism or those actual groups. So, if you support a free Kurdistan, you're culpable for terrorist attacks by anyone who also supports a free Kurdistan.

[Sergarr]

And of course, this would also apply to anything said by Turkish citizens on the Internet, as it already does in relation to the perceived "insults" toward His Highness Sultan Erdogan.

Erdogan is rapidly turning into Saddam 2.0. The only things missing here are trying to annex some neighbouring small country (which he already almost attempted, with Syria, but was forced to back off by Russia & NATO), and gassing the Kurds (which doesn't seem to be far out of question, considering the sheer scale of violence he has unleashed on them already).

[smjjames]

Again, why haven't we kicked him out of NATO? I mean, there has to be some lines that NATO members can't cross if they want to remain in there. I'd imagine keeping a democracy and respecting human rights would be among them.

[martinuzz]

Nah, then we'd have to kick the US out too. How's the closing down of Guantanomo bay coming along?

[smjjames]

https://www.quora.com/What-countries-are-most-likely-to-be-kicked-out-of-NATO

"There is no formal process to expel a nation from NATO."

*facedesks*

I guess they couldn't imagine a reason why they might want to kick someone out of NATO at the time they wrote the rules. Or perhaps the major powers (which would be the UK and US at the time) didn't want to put anything in which would allow them to be kicked out by other members.

Nah, then we'd have to kick the US out too. How's the closing down of Guantanomo bay coming along?

Obama's trying... though not particularily hard and faces massive resistance from the republicans and even some democrats... and good point.