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[Antsan]

I fear this is a mistake, but…
PTW

[TheDarkStar]

I fear this is a mistake, but…
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Do not fear. Only participate in discussion about friendly and polite EU-related news.

[ChairmanPoo]

By the way, third month after the election and still no goverment in Spain. All the MPs lock themselves in the parliament, and insult each other tirelessly. Meanwhile, the stock market is going up, corrupt politicians and noblemen are going to prison.... things are going better than ever.

[smjjames]

Spain still has nobles? *fake shock face*

I don't suppose the king can do something about it? Though I guess he'd have the same reaction from Spaniards as Queen Elizabeth would from the British people if she tried to overtly exercise whatever major governmental powers she has.

Though maybe if there was a real crisis going on in British parliament....

I fear this is a mistake, but…
PTW

Do not fear. Only participate in discussion about friendly and polite EU-related news.

France breakup? What are you talking about?

[ChairmanPoo]

Well, we have the royal family. Some members of which are going on trial right now. Not damn near enough of them. They're nearly untouchable. Some of them absolutely so, as per the constitution the King cannot be held legally liable. Like, at all. We'll see whether these two actually go to prison or not.

[smjjames]

Well, we have the royal family. Some members of which are going on trial right now. Not damn near enough of them. They're nearly untouchable. Some of them absolutely so, as per the constitution the King cannot be held legally liable. Like, at all. We'll see whether these two actually go to prison or not.

So, if your king were to murder someone on live national TV, with millions of Spaniards witnessing it, he couldn't even be charged? pfft..... Good thing we ditched the Monarchy.

Though I don't think the British nobility and royalty are above the law like that, anymore.

[TheBiggerFish]

Magna Carta.

[ChairmanPoo]

So, if your king were to murder someone on live national TV, with millions of Spaniards witnessing it, he couldn't even be charged?

Pretty much. Article 56 of the Spanish constitution, section 3

La persona del Rey es inviolable y no está sujeta a responsabilidad.

So yeah, he could. In fact, one of the fathers of the constitution and staunch monarchist was questioned a few years ago about what would happen (hypothetically speaking) if the king got caught up in a corruption scandal, and he admitted that at most the ministry of finance would be forced to resign.

Magna Carta.

And Oliver Cromwell. The British monarchy lost a lot of power over the centuries. Meanwhile, the current Spanish royal family is in place basically because Generalissimo Franco set things up so that they were. It's not clear to what extent their influence in business reaches because they are pretty opaque about their actual expenses and assets.


I'd say what I think about royal families in general. But I'd rather not meddle in other countries' inner politics. So I'll just state that I'm not our own's biggest fan.

HAHAHAHA disregard that, I suck socks. Far from my intention to question our benevolent royal family. It'd be a crime to do so, in fact 

[scriver]

Ceasing trade for moral reasons is a righteous impulse, but ultimatively counterproductive. Brandt-style Entspannungspolitik works much better - though of course that approach has problems too, and I'm not a Brandt fan at all.

The right approach would be: We cannot cease calling out immoral actions and policies because they endanger our profits. However it is perfectly acceptable to trade even with those we call out: We are opposed to their actions, after all, and not to them as people.

Saudi Arabia were the ones who threatened to cut trade over criticism, Sweden were not the ones who threatened embargo if SA didn't change. Which forced Sweden to "seize calling out the immoral behaviour" and take back the criticism.

[smjjames]

So, if your king were to murder someone on live national TV, with millions of Spaniards witnessing it, he couldn't even be charged?

Pretty much. Article 56 of the Spanish constitution, section 3

La persona del Rey es inviolable y no está sujeta a responsabilidad.

So yeah, he could. In fact, one of the fathers of the constitution and staunch monarchist was questioned a few years ago about what would happen (hypothetically speaking) if the king got caught up in a corruption scandal, and he admitted that at most the ministry of finance would be forced to resign.

Magna Carta.

And Oliver Cromwell. The British monarchy lost a lot of power over the centuries. Meanwhile, the current Spanish royal family is in place basically because a leftover fascist dictator set things up so that they were. They keep fingers in many big businesses. It's not clear to what extent because they are *really* opaque about their actual expenses and assets.


I'd say what I think about royal families in general. But I'd rather not meddle in other countries' inner politics. So I'll just state that I'm not our own's biggest fan.

HAHAHAHA disregard that, I suck socks. Far from my intention to question our benevolent royal family. It'd be a crime to do so, in fact 

Ah yes, HEIL CARLOS!

Seriously though, you guys need to pull a French Revolution on your monarchy. Also, I'm American, so, can't touch me......

Edit: Eeh, I think I'm getting a bit trolly here, yell at me if you want me to stop.

[ChairmanPoo]

Of course not that's preposterous! I for one welcome the benevolent rule of our Borbonic overlords     

Everyone knows the best  way to choose a head of State is to make it a hereditary position and put the holder beyond any legal responsability. It's really great! I bet everything would go much smoother everywhere if every country had a king that cannot be held responsible for his own acts.  Truly our constitution is the best in the world.

[scriver]

Seriously though, you guys need to pull a French Revolution on your monarchy.

Kill them and replace them with a megalomaniac dictator Emperor?

[Teneb]

Of course not that's preposterous! I for one welcome the benevolent rule of our Borbonic overlords     

Bah, they're no Carlos I (Karl V), grand Habsburg. Orléans-Bragança best house. Iberian Union never forget.

[TheDarkStar]

France breakup? What are you talking about?

Isn't France the place with a few states that want to become their own countries? Or is that Spain?

[smjjames]

France breakup? What are you talking about?

Isn't France the place with a few states that want to become their own countries? Or is that Spain?

You're probably thinking of Spain with Catalonia.