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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #390 on: January 21, 2016, 12:41:36 pm »

Uhhhhh, are you proposing sticking migrants into giant coliseums and granting the right of freedom to be deported back to Africa/Middle East to ones that emerge victorious in a giant free-for-all?

That certainly sounds entertaining.

I was actually suggesting we should make whoever wins the head of the UN Council for Human Rights.

They'd still do a better job than the SA.

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #391 on: January 21, 2016, 12:47:17 pm »

Do note that in Dutch law, it is a criminal offense to incite violent acts, or incite people to break the law (this does not include hatespeech, hatespeech is protected under freedom of speech law). It's legally okay to say "I fucking hate niggers", or "all muslims are rapist pigdogs!", but it's a crime to say "go kill niggers, folks!, or "hang dead pigs from trees!  (which is considered an environmental offense btw)".
Now in basis, it is illegal for police and justice department to monitor random online conversations. However, if someone is suspected of breaking the law, the DA can give clearance for targeted monitoring. Which I believe is how privacy intrusion by police and justice forces works in most of our western states. It might sound 1984, but it's not that black and white.
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« Reply #392 on: January 21, 2016, 01:04:57 pm »

The whole amnesty thing may not seem radical, but it's a major point of contention between the Republicans and Democrats (guess which one is anti-amnesty). As for an anti-amnesty politician saying about dramatically lowering the legal amount of migrants or raising entry requirements, that sounds like it would be a Republican position.

The thing is that it's not legal immigration that is the big deal here (in the US), it's dealing with the illegal immigrants and fixing the broken immigration system which makes it harder to immigrate legally than it does illegally. Which both sides admit is a problem, but can't agree on how to fix, so, things get deadlocked and thus hardly anything gets done.

That's interesting (though I'll make this my last post on the topic to avoid derailing).

U.S. politics can be a bit difficult for me (and I'd assume a lot of other Europeans) to get their heads around, because it appears to be more... well, the word we use here is tribalism, but we don't mean to imply the primitive connotations that word has. Rather just that it appears in many cases less about the issues themselves and more about the sides, or parties. Like that if a Republican made a proposal, and in an near-identical alternative universe a Democrat made the same exact proposal, the people supporting the two proposals would be wildly different. People appear to have become very entrenched into two different camps, and seem to have created a big 'us vs them' situation.

Which is often a problem everywhere, of course, but from our perspective it seems to be more of a thing in America.

That's the political polarization and partianship you're seeing, which is very high right now and is making us (well, some of us anyway) wish we had more than two parties.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #393 on: January 21, 2016, 02:15:15 pm »

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I don't remember you offering any "solutions". If there were, they've been hopelessly lost inside the overwhelming growth mass of sheer unadulterated banter.
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The reason why the UK -> US path works is that the great influx of aid provides a cushion for drought/war induced famine and the evolution into foreign investment creates a self-sustaining, powerful and stable country that provides for its own people. They can turn their large population into power, to master their own destiny. The reason why the Merkel -> Cologne path does not work is because it's just turning Europe into Eurabia to... Well, I'm not sure who it helps really lol, the only countries immigration is making dents in are European ones, it's just a matter of numbers.
Because the illegal immigrants brought to Europe are not going home and their departure does not make a noticeable dent in their home countries' population, it doesn't help their home country. It doesn't help the immigrants themselves unless they like being stuck in a Europe with no money and too many men living under a foreign people's roof with a foreign people's religion and it certainly doesn't help Europeans of today or of tomorrow (but this is the future the Yuros of today chose, and I'm sure they'll be consoled by the levels of enrichment). I'm not even sure if this benefits anyone except German industrialists that much, as for most developed European economies the basis of their economies rely on skilled services workers, not unskilled labourers.

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Islamists having bants in Europe are just symptoms of the various insanities afflicting Europeans. The Poles are accusing German admins of having deleted CCTV footage surrounding Cologne, I can't find anything on it (literally, searches return nothing at all), I have to use proxies to find sources and they're all Polish bloggers talking about their national TV news I can't fully understand.
I've come to the conclusion that if we fixed this humanitarian crisis and stopped Islamists from having their checki bants, Europeans are so weak the power vacuum would just be filled by the next strong horse, like street nazis, and if they were eliminated they'd just be replaced by the next strong horse, like toleran. Then we'd be back to square one.
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If we solved the humanitarian crisis now it'd all happen again, because the progresiv and toleran people want it to keep happening, they'll be guest workers, multicultural enrichers, boat freshers, psychological benefiters, refugees, asylum seekers, colonial retribution, nazi guilt relief, anything at any time ~ accelerationism today is King, and it is time to see Liberalism, Communism, Nazism, Duginism, Fundamentalism - all fall before Banterism, from the ashes arise. And we're doing it at a two speed Yurop, oioi

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related news thread
« Reply #394 on: January 21, 2016, 02:35:52 pm »

1900, Europe is all the rage

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« Reply #395 on: January 21, 2016, 03:13:16 pm »

It's not about "comfortable" or "uncomfortable", it's about this discussion being incredibly, absolutely boring as hell. There are no new arguments since this mess started, no actual dialog, it's all filled with this incredible tedium of both sides talking past each other and ugh. I haven't seen anyone on neither the anti-migration side nor the pro-migration side offer anything approaching a solution to the problem. Hell I don't think they've even started discussing it, it's all stalled on the stage of "this is happening - no it is not happening - yeah huh - nuh uh" ad nauseum. Fucking ridiculous.
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« Reply #396 on: January 21, 2016, 03:17:35 pm »

In Switzerland, Geneva airport decided to fire 30 men with arab last names from their luggage department, without any notice or justification. The Swiss media says the men were fired because of the heightened terrorist alert in place since december. Apparently, in december the Swiss authorities were given notice by the CIA of an imminent terror attack on Geneva. Directly after the Paris attacks, already new measures were put in place in the airport, including shortening the period of a mass security check on all personell from 5 to 2 years.

Directly after the new security checks were installed, it became known that one employee of the luggage department was registered with the French police as 'having connections to islamic terror', according to the Swiss newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung.
http://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/wegen-terrorverdachts-entlassen-1.18680167
It's likely that the men were fired because of new security policies.

One of the fired men, a French citizen named Boubaker, is going to sue the airport, or at least demand an explanation for his job termination.
The man has no criminal record, but still his chances appear to be slim; if the firing was done because of new security policies, there is no case, because those are classified. And apart from that, every airport employee has signed a contract which includes a passage stating that they can be fired without reason at any time, if it is for security reasons.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/vliegveld-geneve-ontslaat-bagagepersoneel-met-arabische-naam~a4229805/
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« Reply #397 on: January 21, 2016, 03:43:31 pm »

Directly after the new security checks were installed, it became known that one employee of the luggage department was registered with the French police as 'having connections to islamic terror', according to the Swiss newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung.

Welp, in all honesty I can't blame them just based off that line alone.

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« Reply #398 on: January 21, 2016, 04:56:15 pm »

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« Reply #399 on: January 21, 2016, 04:57:45 pm »

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Islamists having bants in Europe are just symptoms of the various insanities afflicting Europeans. The Poles are accusing German admins of having deleted CCTV footage surrounding Cologne, I can't find anything on it (literally, searches return nothing at all), I have to use proxies to find sources and they're all Polish bloggers talking about their national TV news I can't fully understand.
I've come to the conclusion that if we fixed this humanitarian crisis and stopped Islamists from having their checki bants, Europeans are so weak the power vacuum would just be filled by the next strong horse, like street nazis, and if they were eliminated they'd just be replaced by the next strong horse, like toleran. Then we'd be back to square one.

I can see results, but it's all reddit and twitter, and other sketchy places. I did find the Polish TV source though, not that I can verify that the subtitles are accurate.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b1b_1452579086&comments=1&selected_view_mode=mobile&selected_view_mode=desktop
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« Reply #400 on: January 22, 2016, 04:49:24 am »

Posting "xenophobic" views online in Germany could cost you your job and children

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Individuals who choose to share radical or xenophobic views on social media risk not only losing their jobs in Germany, but their children as well, local media reports. Posting an unorthodox opinion on Facebook could be enough to get the ball rolling.
It's not clear how “radical” opinions will be defined. But simply by expressing discontent with Syrian refugees living nearby or making threats toward asylum-seekers parents may accidentally push things too far, Die Welt reported, citing the Deutsche Anwaltauskunft information portal of the German Lawyers' Association.

Controversial political or religious sentiments from a parent will have a direct impact on the rights of the child, if the child's welfare is endangered thereby. A family court will have to clarify whether an action endangers the child's welfare indeed and whether termination of parental rights is necessary.

"The decisive factor is common sense," Eva Becker, Chair of the Working Group on Family Law in the German Bar Association (DAV) told the German daily.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been quoted as saying she wants more action from Facebook when it comes to filtering hateful racist posts. The comments were overheard by media as Merkel was speaking to CEO Mark Zuckerberg on the sidelines of the UN summit in New York. Her request could be heard on a live transmission broadcast seconds before the introductory remarks at a luncheon on Saturday.

The German leader asked Zuckerberg about hate speech posts, with the Facebook CEO responding: “We need to do some work.”

Merkel wondered: “Are you working on this?” Zuckerberg replied: “Yeah.”

Facebook has recently pledged to boost efforts to fight racism online amid criticism. Earlier this month the company announced its cooperation with German Internet watchdog, Voluntary Self-Monitoring of Multimedia Service Providers, to keep close tabs on hate speech posts.

The increased attention towards online hate has been triggered by an influx of refugees traveling to Germany. Over 410,000 people have registered on the country's initial registration system since January, and over 100,000 asylum seekers were accepted in August alone. The country (home to 80 million people) has accepted more asylum applications than any other European state. It expects to take in up to a million refugees from war-torn countries such as Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan in 2015 – four times the amount in 2014.

The crisis has driven a wedge between those who support asylum seekers arriving in huge numbers and those against them. Around 10,000 members of PEGIDA (Patriotic Europeans against Western Islamization) marched through Dresden earlier this month. The crowds decried the wave of refugees and migrants coming to Europe and, in particular, the arrival of Muslim asylum seekers en masse in Germany. Scuffles with police erupted during similar marches in Berlin.

I don't even know where to start.

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« Reply #401 on: January 22, 2016, 05:15:56 am »

From Die Welt, which I think is slightly less loonie state propaganda than Russia Times:

"If it endangers the child's welfare. ... Only having a controversial opinion is not enough to deprive them of their children. ...  Anyone who says that they would prefer it if no Syrian refugees lived in their neighbourhood, would not affect the child's welfare. If a father or mother openly expresses a threat against refugees in front of the child, it clearly exceeds the critical limit."

Paraphrased to correct some of the more egregious grammar and translation errors from Google Translate. The ideas are fundamentally the same, though.

(Source) - (GT).

Again, not expressing an opinion or making an argument, just providing more information and trying to clarify where it seems particularly far-out to me.
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« Reply #402 on: January 22, 2016, 05:22:18 am »

From Die Welt, which I think is slightly less loonie state propaganda than Russia Times:

"If it endangers the child's welfare. ... Only having a controversial opinion is not enough to deprive them of their children. ...  Anyone who says that they would prefer it if no Syrian refugees lived in their neighbourhood, would not affect the child's welfare. If a father or mother openly expresses a threat against refugees in front of the child, it clearly exceeds the critical limit."

Paraphrased to correct some of the more egregious grammar and translation errors from Google Translate. The ideas are fundamentally the same, though.

(Source) - (GT).

Again, not expressing an opinion or making an argument, just providing more information and trying to clarify where it seems particularly far-out to me.

Honestly, I see what they're saying but I very much doubt that'll end up being the end execution.

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« Reply #403 on: January 22, 2016, 06:11:37 am »

It'll never stand in court. Child judge will verdict that being forcibly separated from parents is much more detrimental to the child's development than having it's parents get beaten up in front of them by riot police every one in a while.
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