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[scriver]

Ssshh, sssshh, Germany knows what is best for you.

[wierd]

I can hardly wait for the great divide between videos uploaded in the EU, and the rest of the world, on youtube.  Wasn't bad enough when every video in the universe was banned in Germany? No?  Well, it will get worse now.

At what point, world, do we put our collective feet down, and say "No, no more copyright extensions-- your business model is doomed to failure, diversify your income sources!" to these people?

[da_nang]

Source

And it just keeps getting worse and worse...   

[wierd]

Youtube drops off European internet in 3.. 2...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/tech/eu-copyright-article-13/index.html

[scriver]

It'll stop once you stop being wrong.

[wierd]

The actual law makes site operators (like youtube) legally responsible for the content uploaded by its patrons.

Since this opens such operations to financial ruin by massive lawsuits, this means service operators like YouTube have no choice but to cease operating under their current framework models within the territory if the EU.

Hence, "No videos in Europe on Youtube."

[wierd]

See the ball of crazy that is GEMA.

Not so much a tempest in a teacup.  The complaints of GEMA now can extend to all of europe.

[wierd]

GEMA is a consortium that represents the interests of copyright holders, and is empowered (at least in Germany) to seek legal remedy for infringements of those copyrights.

Being an authorized agent to conduct such an action, the are legally empowered to represent copyright holders, and make the claims you assert need to be made. (They already DO this, and block approximately 60% of popular videos in Germany, via this representational power.)

As such, GEMA will be empowered to seek remedy against service providers like Youtube for the entire territory of the EU via this law.  It is not my place to show how this is possible; It is your to show how it is not.  There is already established track record for the actions of GEMA.

[George_Chickens]

Oh, man. I remember GEMA. German-related Youtube was absofuckinglutely destroyed by it and has not recovered since. Tens, possibly hundreds of videos and parodies using German music (sometimes for under 10 second intervals, often in Youtube Poops), mostly Rammstein, that I had viewed as a wee laddy were completely wiped out and many of the accounts associated were terminated.

Those were sad times.

[scriver]

"We're not imposing a general monitoring obligation on you, we're just making it completely economically unfeasible to not have one"

[wierd]

GEMA did not operate via the method you suggest;  They issued mass takedown requests based on their own observations.

As evidenced by the flagrancy of automated takedowns via the DMCA in the US, the cost to issue a takedown is negligable compared to the costs involved in fighting one.

The costs incurred by GEMA (and groups like them) to issue takedowns using their existing practices in regard to the expanded territory is negligable to current operating costs; There is no reasonable expectation for them to NOT expand that scope of action, therefor.

You need to explain why such a group WONT go after everyone and their brother in the EU.

[wierd]

That will only force services like YouTube to cease operations in the EU.

Reason:  They have to validate all the torrent of automated takedown requests shot at them by groups like GEMA. WITH HUMANS.  That is gonna be HELLA expensive.  It makes operation in the eurozone financially untenable.

[wierd]

Only time will tell.

[Kagus]

Is that 100 EU dollars or 100 YouTube dollars?

[ChairmanPoo]

Is that 100 EU dollars or 100 YouTube dollars?

Neither. 100 liberian dollars