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[smjjames]

This James Connolly? There's also this rugby player, but he's too young to have been around for the troubles.

[ChairmanPoo]

Eh? Imic is Irish, not NORTHERN Irish, I think. One person does not make a flame war.

We have both on the forum you nimrod! Now it's just a matter of time!
https://youtu.be/qBRKt9bQT10

[Reelya]

Heh, it's funny how Nimrod became an insult.

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Nimrod is a great hunter in the bible. In Looney Tunes, Bugs bunny called Elmer Fudd 'Nimrod' sarcastically, since Elmer is a terrible hunter, in the way you might say "way to go, Einstein!" to a dumb person. Kids didn't know who Nimrod was so assumed it was some insult.

[ChairmanPoo]

Salzburg and chronic misreading

You know I do get the feeling that British press, both pro and anti brexit, tends to misapprehend some stuff that seems obvious in continental EU and Ireland (based on my conversations from people from continental EU and Ireland).  I don't know if it's a delliberate agenda or a cultural breach. I've seen british people here echo those ideas so I'm leaning more on the latter.

[Kagus]

There's an Irish bartender who works at the pub I tend to frequent. I've never actually had him serving when I was ordering, but I know he works there.

I'm just waiting for the chance to show my cultural appreciation by ordering an Irish Car Bomb followed by a Black & Tan.

[George_Chickens]

There's an Irish bartender who works at the pub I tend to frequent. I've never actually had him serving when I was ordering, but I know he works there.

I'm just waiting for the chance to show my cultural appreciation by ordering an Irish Car Bomb followed by a Black & Tan.

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Gerry Adams eating ice cream will be very disappointed with you.

[smjjames]

Salzburg and chronic misreading

You know I do get the feeling that British press, both pro and anti brexit, tends to misapprehend some stuff that seems obvious in continental EU and Ireland (based on my conversations from people from continental EU and Ireland).  I don't know if it's a delliberate agenda or a cultural breach. I've seen british people here echo those ideas so I'm leaning more on the latter.

Reading that, it seems at least in part cultural, both on the part of British press and those doing the negotiations. If Theresa May hadn't wasted time trying to get a better majority and the Salzburg meeting wasn't effectively a 10th hour thing, it might not be as big a deal.

It's probably also that since Brexit is such a huge freaking deal for both sides in the UK, there's an understandable tendency to shout the latest developments from the rooftops, so to speak.

[hector13]

Theresa May is preparing for a no deal by setting the groundwork to blame it on the EU.

*sigh*

[SaberToothTiger]

The only solution left is to expel the Isles from Europe. Find your luck west of Brittany, for the Brits Brest detests.

[smjjames]

The quest to see if it's possible to revoke Article 50 is getting sent to the EU's highest court.

Just thought it'd be interesting to note the progress on that.

[ChairmanPoo]

Meanwhile in the UK

[Reelya]

What's even better is that the owner's name is Darren Chick.

[Kagus]

An African? And they're speaking Spanish?

Bloody immigrants...

[TD1]

Ireland and her border has been the biggest complication in the Brexit deal. My opinion? The bastards shouldn’t have invaded us in the first place.

I quite agree. The Irish should also not have invaded Scotland and formed Dal Riata. The Normans should not have invaded England and created the seeds of an extended Angevin empire. Britain should not have invaded [Insert Country], America should not have invaded [Insert Country], China should not have invaded [Insert Country], Germany should not have invaded [Insert Country].

Though, as invasions go, the initial "invasion" of Ireland was rather tame. King Henry II had permission from the Pope to both claim Ireland and civilise it, a fact perhaps not appreciated now but which at the time made any intervention more than justifiable. He allowed an exiled King of Leinster to recruit his knights and sat back. Diarmat (the exile) offered a de Clare his daughter's hand as payment for help reclaiming his kingdom. Strongbow, as he came to be known, accepted and was on the reconquest of Diarmat's kingdom named his heir and succeeded to the kingdom.

So far perfectly legitimate.

Henry II got worried that one of his under-boys would get uppity and start his own Kingdom, much as his Norman ancestors had. He went over with a considerable force (arguably to escape Papal displeasure over the killing of Becket) and received the fealty of this Strongbow of the Anglo-Norman-Irish Kingdom. He then proceeded to exercise his God-given right to Ireland. The Irish clergy were over joyed at this cease to the perpetual turmoil which had gripped them, and wrote approvingly to the Pope. King Henry II named John his son as Lord of Ireland, a title beholden to the English crown but not belonging to it. Gradually more and more Irish sub-kings swore fealty to John.

That John became King and the title Lord of Ireland was subsumed by the English crown was a matter of chance, in that John was the youngest of four* sons.

*Can't remember exact number of sons, but I think it was four. Geoffrey, Richard, John and Henry.

Anywho, yes. Shouldn't have invaded and all, but as invasions go it was rather tame and remarkably legitimate for the times. It also seems to have granted King Henry the unwavering love of the Irish
clergy for his.... 'help'.

[ChairmanPoo]

*facepaln* ok Smjames. Whatever happens now is your fault. I want you to remember that