This can make some sense if done well. It's hard for new immigrants to compete with native Swedes when they just arrived if they have to be paid the same level.
Only if you follow the European immigration model of having literally no border control or immigration standards whatsoever. This problem entirely dissipates when you select for immigrants of equal education or experience.
Now, for some migrants you could say though luck to them, but for those that you can't/don't want to deport if they can't sustain themselves (refugees mostly), you can end up trapping them out of employment, with all kind of negative consequences, both for the state's finance, for the integration of the refugees and so on.
That's immigration. Pretty obvious when you say refugee as synonymous with unlimited immigration. Someone who is moving from a safe country to a safe country, who is never going back to their home country, who is there just to supply cheap labour to neoliberal employers in perpetuity, yeah that's immigration m8.
This explain part of the reasons why employment rate for refugees is much higher in place like the US and Germany than Sweden or the Netherlands.
Letting them compete on wage for a few years while can give them the leg up they need to enter the job market, and get the experience they need to get jobs normally. I dunno about Sweden, but lots of countries do it for young people for that same reasons. In the UK minimum wage is 5.9 £/hour when you're 18, but raise top 7.83 £/hour when 25 or older. Belgium got a system where the minimum wage depends both on your age and your amount of work experience, although the variations are small, going from 1530 euros/month to 1590 for people over 20 with at least 12 month of experience.
Up to three quarters of Germany’s refugees will still be unemployed in five years’ time, according to a government minister, in a stark admission of the challenges the country faces in integrating its huge migrant population.
Aydan Özoğuz, commissioner for immigration, refugees and integration, told the Financial Times that only a quarter to a third of the newcomers would enter the labour market over the next five years, and “for many others we will need up to 10”.
Questionable logic if you view Germany as anything but failing all.Obviously, there is also downsides to the idea, and scope for bad implementation causing more harm to the native workers, but the idea isn't entirely stupid and/or evil either.
Whom does such policy serve? You increase migration to the point where you replace your citizenry when your citizens tell you they want less, you decrease your tax base bringing aboard more people who take more and contribute less, you lower your wages to create an immigrant underclass who works for pennies - and you expect immigrants to be content living in indignity and serfdom? The neoliberal cry, that immigrants do the jobs no one wants to do, it is nothing but stupid and evil to seek not to make unwanted tasks obsolete, but merely pass it down to the unwanted and downtrodden. No human being would accept that as their standing in society, is it any wonder then that
they see no issue with killing and raping Germans? What the hell do you expect when you bring people from safe countries on the dream of sex and economic prospects, and then tell them their only purpose was to pick litter of streets to earn a worthless wage - which coupled with the higher costs of living in Germany,
means they won't even be able to afford going home? And the whole response to its evident failure is simply to stop collecting evidence and increase migration? Haha wot, you won't find me often agreeing with Marx, but when he said capitalism took people from around the world and turned them into one indistinct proletariat he was not wrong.
It's exactly the kind of retarded, immoral short term thinking neoliberalism comes up with.
If you bring in immigrants to live in your country forever, you cannot leave them as disenfranchised residents forever. You must strive to make them citizens of your country, equals of your country, or there is simply no way for your state to survive - even assuming, that your nation will have more years yet. I'm pessimistic because it's pretty easy not to make the classic mistake of doing nothing right, but it seems everyone loves making that mistake these days. Once they're citizens of your country and they have equal treatment in the eyes of law (I honestly can't fucking believe how anyone can imagine it's ok to use these people as citizens without any of the rights of citizenry), you then have to move onto every other detail which without, would keep citizens descended from migrants permanently fucked. Things like good education for their children, access to cheap credit so they can become homeowners and business owners - and like I said before, if you don't pay a wage worth living, you have no idea what damage you cause. Ignore what Scriver said about lowering wages to benefit a few large businesses - it's a valid point, but not the one I want to focus on. When you tell people from all across the world that they can make more money in one day's cheap labour than they'd make in a month in their home country in a sexually liberated Western nation, is there any surprise that so many young men sell all they have to make their way to countries like Germany? Hell no.
But time and time again the same story repeats itself. Hopeful young men arrive, the white liberals who said they'd help them keep them out with gates, bars and red tape, they live in a community that is entirely men and although they get paid more than what they did at home, it is not enough to keep up with the costs of living - which are far more than at home, with the result being they came to another country to grow rich and are now
in debt. And as I said before, no Western banks are giving illegal migrants good interest rates. The result is that not just human trafficking in small criminal enterprises takes place, but companies with
annual turnovers of tens of millions of dollars are benefiting from slavery on European soil.
It's fucking evil, it's fucking stupid, and when Europe is in civil war we will look to these days as the days where we looked at all the riots, violent crime and terrorism and said "everything is fine, just lower their wages so they can get that job experience."
Job experience.
For jobs.
In the same civilization that says
automation will render hundreds millions of low-skilled jobs obsolete.Also saying it needs hundreds of millions more low-skilled workers.
Making the classic mistake of literally doing nothing right: NOT EVEN ONCE
NOT
EVEN
ONCE
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