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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7065 on: October 24, 2017, 04:55:47 pm »

@scriver: Uh...think that's a misquote.

Lol, yeah. That was a part from Reelyas earlier post that he removed before I could post that was still in my clipboard. At least it wasn't a link to a porno or something.

Not that I would ever watch such a thing of course! *shifty eyes*

About the only extant culture which even existed more than 1000 years ago are the Chinese, and even there Han culture has undergone enormous change and imported ideas (and DNA) from numerous outside populations.

No. There's absolutely no way you could reason Han culture would have existed 1000 years ago that wouldn't also mean 98% of all cultures also existed 1000 years ago.


If they're so afraid of losing culture, then they should promote culture, like "It's awesome to be <insert country name>!", it's called cultural acclimation and absorption. It's what the Romans did, except they did it more forcefully and partially through the awe of civilization.

But mostly through genociding.

Also, speaking in superlatives about your own nation is usually taken as racist and supremacist.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7066 on: October 24, 2017, 05:00:44 pm »

I don't mean be like nationalist, I was trying to make a point about absorbing and assimilating those cultures. I suppose it's easier for a country which started out as a nation of immigrants.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7067 on: October 24, 2017, 05:05:35 pm »

I seriously dispute that, especially if it was just due to demographic reason (aka, no discrimination against an ethnic group, no one being killed). Hell, people don't even call it genocide in Tibet, where you have clear discriminationa gainst Tibetans.
1999, A Less Tibetan Tibet Many Residents Fear Chinese Migration Will Dilute Culture
"LHASA, China—Among the pilgrims at the gates of the Jokhang temple, the holiest Buddhist site in the capital of Tibet, a Chinese migrant and avowed atheist named Xie Danchun was doing a brisk business. He sells white Tibetan prayer scarves, known as hada," symbols of a culture struggling under periodic assault from authorities in Beijing.
"It's a job," mused Xie, a 24-year-old from Sichuan province, as pilgrims prostrated themselves in the swirling incense smoke outside the 1,300-year-old shrine. "Besides, the silk factory is in my county back home. We run it up here on my county's trucks."
On any given day, an estimated 100 million people are on the move across China looking for work. But perhaps nowhere is China's vast internal migration having a more profound effect on the local population than in Tibet. The arrival here of tens of thousands of job seekers from China's ethnic Han majority, while a minor runoff in a country of 1.3 billion people, is threatening to swamp the culture of 5 million Tibetans.
"I'm not replacing a Tibetan," argued Xie, who came here in pursuit of a fortune two years ago after China relaxed restrictions on travel. Pointing to a teenage Tibetan competitor who was selling scarves of lower quality at the same price, he said, "We're just beating them at their own game."
The fate of Tibetan culture has taken on a new urgency in recent months since the World Bank approved a $160 million loan, over U.S. and German objections, that included millions to help move 58,000 people, including some Han Chinese, onto land claimed as traditionally Tibetan."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-10/31/041r-103199-idx.html

"Chinese strategists argue that the government naturally wants to fill such areas with Han Chinese presumably loyal to Beijing. One senior Chinese analyst compared China's move to resettle Han Chinese in Tibet and Xinjiang to population changes in Alaska. In the 1940s, he noted, native Alaskans made up more than half the population in what would become the state with the largest area. Today, they constitute about 15 percent. "So are we both guilty of cultural genocide?" he asked."
He's right u no

2017, China unrelenting in cultural genocide in Tibet, alleges exile administration
(TibetanReview.net, Oct17, 2017) – Acts of genocide have been and are still being committed by Chinese in Tibet, the President of the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) at Dharamshala, India, has alleged in New Delhi on Oct 16 while releasing a report by the Tibet Policy Institute, the CTA’s think tank.
The report, Cultural Genocide in Tibet, is cited as saying China is carrying out systematic annihilation of the cultural heritage of Tibet with the destruction of Tibetan Buddhism and religious traditions, education system, social breakdowns, lawlessness, communal disharmony, uncontrolled greed and a high growth in sex trade and alcoholism.
Releasing the report at the India International centre, Dr Sangay has continued that the Chinese were carrying out destruction of the Tibetan people’s religion and language and also carrying out forced removal of Tibetan nomads while continuing to transfer mainland Chinese people to the Tibetan Plateau.
“The influx of Chinese migrant workers, facilitated by the new railway line and an administration in favour of the migrants, are reducing the Tibetans to an increasingly disenfranchised minority in their own land,” thehindubusinessline.com Oct 16 quoted him as saying.
http://www.tibetanreview.net/china-unrelenting-in-cultural-genocide-in-tibet-alleges-exile-administration/

Really gets my noggin joggin

Meh. I just picture a German seeing one too many Doner kebab stands and screaming that they're being genocided.
Delicious, juicy genocide.
And as smjjames said, there's a lot of whitey angst over here about the "browning" of America.
I'm sure the Celts said the same thing about the Romans. Then the Romano-Celts said the same thing about these fucking Saxons. And then the Saxons said it about the Normans. And now their 25xgreat-grand kids are saying it about people from, y'know, all those places they conquered.
Cultures change. It's what they do.
If your effort was to argue that people should be calm about their replacement you probably shouldn't use historical examples of invasion which ended poorly for the original inhabitants. In short cultures change, they don't voluntarily replace themselves, the mass movement of millions of people is really quite an intriguing phenomena for the scale is hitherto unknown to posterity. Even the Anglo-Saxon invasion 1,300 years ago was in much less relative numbers that the scale today, likewise the Normans showed up with several thousand men amidst a population of 2 million. It has never been the case, nor had it ever been thinkable, that the capital of the UK would be minority British, but that is the case today. As you can see earlier, numerous world leaders made it their mission to open up immigration and made it their mandate to not give people the question on whether they wanted this done to their nation. Subsequently, this makes them salty, and so the backlash does not fall on their leaders, but on the migrants and their descendants. In my experiences addressing the concerns of people seriously instead of belittling them as morons when they can see clearly what you're doing to their communities helps foster much more intra-community respect than simply laughing at them. End of the day they remain my neighbours and I'd rather keep them as family in civic cooperation if such a thing is not possible by bonds of shared blood, religion or culture. And honestly, European culture wherever you go is in a right state.
Also just factually, the Han trace their continuity several thousand years back, most European sub-groups will trace theirs at least over a thousand years back, including the whole range of North Africa to the ME. Probably youngest is Turkish identity since Turkification of Anatolia started with one of the last great nomadic conquests and epic level Kebabini skeelz

If they're so afraid of losing culture, then they should promote culture, like "It's awesome to be <insert country name>!", it's called cultural acclimation and absorption. It's what the Romans did, except they did it more forcefully and partially through the awe of civilization.
If only it was as easy as that. Sadly as with our Al-Britanis, you cannot assimilate an unwilling person, and even if they are culturally assimilated that's not to say they won't still try murdering their homeland's people, or otherwise fostering a community apart from everyone else :/

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7068 on: October 24, 2017, 05:14:16 pm »

I don't mean be like nationalist, I was trying to make a point about absorbing and assimilating those cultures. I suppose it's easier for a country which started out as a nation of immigrants.

Yeah, becsuse we can all tell how great that is going for America. No, I'd rather not become like the US, where races have replaced cultures and race-nationalism have replaced nationalism.


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I don't mean be like nationalist, I was trying to make a point about absorbing and assimilating those cultures.

And how is that not nationalistic?
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« Reply #7069 on: October 24, 2017, 05:22:45 pm »

Immigrants create their own communities just about everywhere, it's not a unique to Britian thing, and evidently we're doing something right in the US.

However, while the backlash in both the US and in Europe are related to immigration, the immigration situation isn't the same for both regions. Here in the US, it's less immigration and much more pure demographic momentum that is freaking people out. Yes, the targets are still immigrants, but the full picture is different since the factors are different.

Also, it's not the first time that the US has reacted to immigrants.

I don't mean be like nationalist, I was trying to make a point about absorbing and assimilating those cultures. I suppose it's easier for a country which started out as a nation of immigrants.

Yeah, becsuse we can all tell how great that is going for America. No, I'd rather not become like the US, where races have replaced cultures and race-nationalism have replaced nationalism.


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I don't mean be like nationalist, I was trying to make a point about absorbing and assimilating those cultures.

And how is that not nationalistic?

Maybe I have the wrong/a different perspective because I'm American? We're in a bit of an unique position in that our culture as a nation has only been around for a few centuries while those in Europe have thousands.

Also, you're pretty nationalistic yourself when it comes to the EU.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7070 on: October 24, 2017, 05:29:05 pm »

Immigrants create their own communities just about everywhere, it's not a unique to Britian thing, and evidently we're doing something right in the US.
No, creating communities is not unique to anywhere. Everyone does that. Creating communities apart from everyone else where you view your neighbours as corrupting influences to be excluded however, I won't say that's unique to Europe, but it is unfortunate.

However, while the backlash in both the US and in Europe are related to immigration, the immigration situation isn't the same for both regions. Here in the US, it's less immigration and much more pure demographic momentum that is freaking people out. Yes, the targets are still immigrants, but the full picture is different since the factors are different.
Also the historic natives of the USA got blitzed by disease and industrial colonizers so no one can legitimately claim any right to the USA

Maybe I have the wrong/a different perspective because I'm American? We're in a bit of an unique position in that our culture as a nation has only been around for a few centuries while those in Europe have thousands.
That and the USA is fucking massive so anyone can show up and stake their claim without anyone ever noticing, and it's the world's richest country so people arriving there can buy away their problems and not have to deal with conflict. Except your treatment of those arriving from East Asia or from African Americans seriously wtf

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« Reply #7071 on: October 24, 2017, 05:56:57 pm »

Also, you're pretty nationalistic yourself when it comes to the EU.

Well yes, but I don't see nationalism as something that is inherently and thoroughly bad - hence why I originally didn't use it but said racism and supremacism.
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7072 on: October 24, 2017, 06:08:12 pm »

Also, you're pretty nationalistic yourself when it comes to the EU.

Well yes, but I don't see nationalism as something that is inherently and thoroughly bad - hence why I originally didn't use it but said racism and supremacism.
What do you mean by racism and supremacism? Would you say that my saying "Germany's culture is better than the misogynistic, backwards, borderline barbaric claptrap in Afghanistan" is racist and supremacist?
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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7073 on: October 24, 2017, 06:17:35 pm »

tbh Afghanistan has better tea culture than Germany so don't you be talking shit about them just because they have bacha baazi and shit. It's easy to see the splinters in others without seeing the lumps in your eye

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7074 on: October 24, 2017, 06:21:22 pm »

Better tea culture totally makes up for systematic child rape.
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« Reply #7075 on: October 24, 2017, 06:26:54 pm »

What do you mean by racism and supremacism? Would you say that my saying "Germany's culture is better than the misogynistic, backwards, borderline barbaric claptrap in Afghanistan" is racist and supremacist?

It would definitely make me wonder if you are.
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« Reply #7076 on: October 24, 2017, 06:27:56 pm »

Ignoring the best bits of something because there are bad bits is a bit silly.
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« Reply #7077 on: October 24, 2017, 06:29:59 pm »

Better tea culture totally makes up for systematic child rape.
Of course it doesn't, but to deny that Germans have no dark sides nor Afghans morality is to needlessly strip down what cannot be ranked into mismatched tiers of people. Hence why I bring up tea culture; a peoples like the Afghanis, for whom their country has been the deathbed of Empires, for whom conflict has been so familiar for most of their lives - that they would continue to show hospitality to one another, and even to foreign soldiers, when they have so little, is a sign of something remarkable. The presence of predators in their midst is a situation all countries can sympathize with, just as from North America to Western Europe frequent scandals of systematic child abuse, human trafficking and sexual abuse has been covered up. I'm not saying you shouldn't attack such immorality, by all means it is right to attack it with fury, but do not extend the hunt recklessly to people trying to do good in the world just because they think differently.

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Re: The friendly and polite EU-related terrible jokes thread
« Reply #7078 on: October 24, 2017, 06:37:27 pm »

It's fine to say you prefer a culture of no child rape to a culture of child rape. It's not fine to be reductionist and degenerate the whole of another culture for containing values you disagree with, even extreme ones like sympathy towards child rape. Most people aren't even fully aligned with their own culture's values.

"Germany's culture is better than Afghanistan's" isn't a reasonable kind of statement to begin with, much less a true or false one. There's too much you're taking in and throwing to the ground in the span of a single sentence for that to ever be rational.

Not to mention that even when you get away from extremes there's still harsh cultural clash on things that probably don't really matter and that nobody reasonable would agree signifies the worth of the entire culture, as seen whenever a German and an American try to talk about culture.
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« Reply #7079 on: October 24, 2017, 08:32:23 pm »

I don't see how it's a controversial statement. Yes, German culture has negative aspects. For example, its almost pathological self-hatred. But not all cultures are created equal. I don't buy the idea of cultural relativism. Cultures absolutely can be better or worse than other ones. If you ask me to rank them from top to bottom, I don't have that answer for you. But I do know that most European cultures are absolutely superior to most Middle Eastern cultures. And I know I would not want European cultures to be damaged by integrating parts from Middle Eastern cultures, even if Middle Eastern cultures do have positive aspects to them (and they do, I do not deny that). But their positive aspects are outweighed by their negative.
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