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[Teneb]

As a meme, I mean.

As an internet meme? Probably as long as the internet has been around....

Memes predate the internet. If you look at illuminated manuscript from medieval times you'll see many recurring themes in the illustrations. And I don't just mean saints and crosses and so on.

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You will find variations of the above in many, many of them. Snails are truly fearsome memetic beasts.

[Loud Whispers]

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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Hail Secundus, King of Pompeii.

[hector13]

Pfft, N64 isn’t shit. Best console evar!!!1

[Dorsidwarf]

For all our pretences, humanity never really changed. We're still a bunch of graffiti-scrawling jokers. The internet has brought us enlightenment by making the walls on which to scribble infinite.

[redwallzyl]

there are lots of ancient jokes like that as well.

[ChairmanPoo]

Puigdemont is speaking right now


....tbh he's making a compelling case for his position so far

He askes the parliament to put independence declaration  on hold for a couple of weeks in order to negotiate

[redwallzyl]

Puigdemont is speaking right now


....tbh he's making a compelling case for his position so far

He askes the parliament to put independence declaration  on hold for a couple of weeks in order to negotiate

must have realized if he actually did it he would be arrested.

[ChairmanPoo]

The talk is that he's trying a Slovenian solution& negotiation.

I'll admit that at an emotional level I was a bit disappointed that he didn't proclaim the Republic right away. He's echoed  many of my sentiments tbh. This is not about hating Spain, but the relationship between the central goverment and the different nationalities NEEDS to be redefined.

[smjjames]

The talk is that he's trying a Slovenian solution& negotiation.

I'll admit that at an emotional level I was a bit disappointed that he didn't proclaim the Republic right away. He's echoed  many of my sentiments tbh. This is not about hating Spain, but the relationship between the central goverment and the different nationalities NEEDS to be redefined.

What do you mean by 'Slovenian solution and negotiation'?

The real question: will Madrid care about anything he said?

^This.

Everything that I've read elsewhere and in here indicates that Madrid (or at least Rajoy specifically) has no desire to negotiate or compromise anything to address the Catalan complaints. At least publicly, no idea about behind the scenes.

[ChairmanPoo]

I hope international pressure will force him to talk.

Really. There HAS to be a negotiation. In any scenario. The only question is how many bad things will happen before that

[smjjames]

It'd definetly be in the EU's best interest for things to not come to blows, and the EU has been making moves to try and mediate or get involved. Whether that involvement ends up being the helpful type or not remains to be seen.

I think this is the first time the EU has had a situation like this with a member state. I know there was the Scottish referendum, but that was as peaceful as it can be and was allowed by the UK parliament, and a different relationship as well.

[ChairmanPoo]

If it comes to blows we're talking about terrorism on one side and police repression in the other.  This has happened several times in the EU. So... not without precedent, no

[smjjames]

If it comes to blows we're talking about terrorism on one side and police repression in the other.  This has happened several times in the EU. So... not without precedent, no

You mean like the Troubles in the UK? I meant this specific situation with the secession.

[Wolfhunter107]

If it comes to blows we're talking about terrorism on one side and police repression in the other.  This has happened several times in the EU. So... not without precedent, no

You mean like the Troubles in the UK? I meant this specific situation with the secession.

That too, but I bet he's referring to what happened in the Basque region--that didn't completely end until early this year, iirc.