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[Pwnzerfaust]

The question is not whether they have a right to be in Europe or not. They are coming. They're not going to stop coming just because you threaten to put them into concentration camps in Lybia (which would require Lybian acquiescence, btw). They're already risking life and limb to cross the Atlantic//Mediterranean.

There are no easy solutions to this conundrum.

Libya is in no position to say no.

Really it is easy, as long as Europe grows a collective spine.

[Erkki]

It was a better joke than almost 50 million muslims, most of whom share downright medieval values and perceive themselves as aliens amongst hethens, are already in Europe, while Turkey blackmails the union and nobody wants to touch a failed country across the sea through which more useless people keep coming. From nations with highest population growth in the world. There is no solution in the horizon if Europe isnt ready to use all the tools in the box.

[smjjames]

May want to slap a /sarcasm tag in there.

I get what you mean about using all of the tools in the box, but war isn't going to solve it, you saw how the US botched up Iraq.

[Erkki]

May want to slap a /sarcasm tag in there.

I get what you mean about using all of the tools in the box, but war isn't going to solve it, you saw how the US botched up Iraq.

EU doesnt need to occupy every African and mid-Eastern country and bring them democracy. They need to stop being spineless and indecisive, look after their borders and smack a neighbour or two if they get too cocky(with words and economic sanctions first), just like the greatest economical area and union in the world, that also holds approx 1/5 of all the worlds military might, should.

[ChairmanPoo]

The question is not whether they have a right to be in Europe or not. They are coming. They're not going to stop coming just because you threaten to put them into concentration camps in Lybia (which would require Lybian acquiescence, btw). They're already risking life and limb to cross the Atlantic//Mediterranean.

There are no easy solutions to this conundrum.

Libya is in no position to say no.

Really it is easy, as long as Europe grows a collective spine.

They are in no position to say yes, considering they're in a state of civil war already. It'd just make the central goverment even weaker.

Besides, who's going to pay for the internment camps? And what prevents refugees from braving the Mediterranean again? Really, your proposal is a pipe dream

May want to slap a /sarcasm tag in there.

I get what you mean about using all of the tools in the box, but war isn't going to solve it, you saw how the US botched up Iraq.

EU doesnt need to occupy every African and mid-Eastern country and bring them democracy. They need to stop being spineless and indecisive, look after their borders and smack a neighbour or two if they get too cocky(with words and economic sanctions first), just like the greatest economical area and union in the world, that also holds approx 1/5 of all the worlds military might, should.

Yeah, "smack a neighbour or two". Because meddling in the politics of North Africa and the Middle East has turned out so good this far...

oh wait

[Pwnzerfaust]

The question is not whether they have a right to be in Europe or not. They are coming. They're not going to stop coming just because you threaten to put them into concentration camps in Lybia (which would require Lybian acquiescence, btw). They're already risking life and limb to cross the Atlantic//Mediterranean.

There are no easy solutions to this conundrum.

Libya is in no position to say no.

Really it is easy, as long as Europe grows a collective spine.

They are in no position to say yes, considering they're in a state of civil war already. It'd just make the central goverment even weaker.

Besides, who's going to pay for the internment camps? And what prevents refugees from braving the Mediterranean again? Really, your proposal is a pipe dream

Europe will. The price is worth it, since it's cheaper than housing all the illegals in Germany or Sweden, and it maintains social integrity to boot.

[Erkki]

Yeah, "smack a neighbour or two". Because meddling in the politics of North Africa and the Middle East has turned out so good this far...

oh wait

You have better ideas? Start saving for your jizyah, dhimmi.

[smjjames]

And how do you plan on doing that, logistically? Plus, making Libyas population grow by a few million suddenly doesn't seem like a smart idea. Plus not all of the illegals are coming in from Libya.

Compared to Europe, the US actually has a way simpler situation because we've got two oceans and only two other countries bordering us.

Yeah, "smack a neighbour or two". Because meddling in the politics of North Africa and the Middle East has turned out so good this far...

oh wait

You have better ideas? Start saving for your jizyah, dhimmi.

Eh? Lets turn the temp down a couple notches here......

[ChairmanPoo]

Yeah, "smack a neighbour or two". Because meddling in the politics of North Africa and the Middle East has turned out so good this far...

oh wait

You have better ideas? Start saving for your jizyah, dhimmi.

There are no easy solutions for this problem. I sure do know that juvenile alt-right pipedreams will make the problem worse. Provide a solution, not more problems, please

[martinuzz]

You have better ideas? Start saving for your jizyah, dhimmi.

Eh? Lets turn the temp down a couple notches here......

Yes please, advocating war with exaggerated xenophobic fearmongering is not very friendly nor polite.

[redwallzyl]

Careful or we will lose another. lagslayer seems to have perhaps touched off a string of this.

[smjjames]

The whole immigration and refugee problem is a pretty touchy subject for Europe, and there simply aren't any easy solutions, as much as everybody would like an easy solution.

But yes, things are getting a little... testy... over the subject right now.

[Baffler]

Getting rid of Ghaddafi was a mistake. The French couldn't leave his attempts at reducing their influence in Francophone West Africa alone though, so they knocked it all over. Now he's not around to stamp out the human traffickers, and we get the current situation.

They did this to themselves, really.

[smjjames]

Getting rid of Ghaddafi was a mistake. The French couldn't leave his attempts at reducing their influence in Francophone West Africa alone though, so they knocked it all over. Now he's not around to stamp out the human traffickers, and we get the current situation.

They did this to themselves, really.

The Libyans probably think otherwise.

It's one thing to say that, but proving it is another thing entirely because we don't have a time machine.

However, deposing (or dethroning or whatever) him without a plan to immediately fill the vacuum with a government that the people can trust, was definetly a mistake that was made.

[TempAcc]

Whats this about internet camps?

And how do I sign up?