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[Wolfhunter107]

Under what fucking bullshit does a German museum have any right to steal things?

If they want it, they ought to pay him for it, or buy him a new one.

[Jopax]

Yeah, how would that even work, after it's processed it goes onto an auction or something? Or do they give it to whatever organisation calls dibs, original owner be damned.

I mean, could this be considered an act of international thievery? What will they call dibs on next, Danzig? How far will German greed go!?

[martinuzz]

Yeah, how would that even work, after it's processed it goes onto an auction or something? Or do they give it to whatever organisation calls dibs, original owner be damned.

I mean, could this be considered an act of international thievery? What will they call dibs on next, Danzig? How far will German greed go!?

Wel it's not so much calling dibs, as declaring the truck to be an 'object of national historical importance'. That's the argument used by the Haus der Geschichte (House of History) museum in Bonn. But yeah, fully agree that if a museum does want it, it should reimburse the owner.

Or rather, the German state should have reimbursed him after they seized it for their criminal investigation. Although they are probably not legally obliged to do so, it would have been a nice gesture towards a man who lost not just his truck, but also his brother.

[smjjames]

Yeah, how would that even work, after it's processed it goes onto an auction or something? Or do they give it to whatever organisation calls dibs, original owner be damned.

I mean, could this be considered an act of international thievery? What will they call dibs on next, Danzig? How far will German greed go!?

I thought Danzig was a German city (dang EUIV!), until I wiki'd it, it's Polish. *runs screaming from a horde of angry hussars*

[Helgoland]

Well, depends. It's kinda like the Königsberg situation, I think - it's just that we're buddies with the Poles and so nobody gives a shit.

[scriver]

No, it doesn't depend. It's just the German name of a Polish city.

[Helgoland]

It also depends on your usage of adjectives like 'German'. For example, it would hardly be a stretch to call a village within the country of Belgium populated by German-speaking people 'German'. Especially in an increasingly post-national Europe I think there is great value in paying attention to the nuances of these matters, as it increases our awareness of our shared, intertwined history.

'Historically German' would be the preferred phrasing here, I think. To say that Danzig has nothing to do with Germany at all certainly is wrong.

[smjjames]

It's historically German, true, I was just going 'oops, I thought it was German based on the name alone'.

[hector13]

German Interior Ministry releases preliminary figures on attacks on migrants in 2016.

[Detoxicated]

This is an only increasing problem in germany...

[scriver]

It also depends on your usage of adjectives like 'German'. For example, it would hardly be a stretch to call a village within the country of Belgium populated by German-speaking people 'German'. Especially in an increasingly post-national Europe I think there is great value in paying attention to the nuances of these matters, as it increases our awareness of our shared, intertwined history.

'Historically German' would be the preferred phrasing here, I think. To say that Danzig has nothing to do with Germany at all certainly is wrong.

If you mean the time during which the Germans were genociding Pomeranians ans Prussians to their hearts' content, I suppose we can agree on that.

[ChairmanPoo]

Prussians? I thought Prussia was pretty much the core of Germany.

[scriver]

No, the Prussians was a Baltic people living just above Poland until the Germans decided they needed more living space for Christ and exterminated them, then started calling the Germans who lived there afterwards Prussians to really spit on the graves of the original people.

[Helgoland]

And I'm suuuuuure you can show me that this genociding was still taking place at the start of the 20th century, no? Else by the same standard London is not an English city.

[hector13]

Must we do this?