Well now that's just depressing, depressing in that it's not localized to boot
Danes run the jihad rehab your guys's sentimentals thought about running, so you're not far off yet
I've been thinking much about this:
Why would someone raised in Gothenburg want to leave one of the most peaceful and progressive countries in the developed world to join a violent extremist group in the Middle East?
With so many of them saying they don't feel Swedish, perhaps the bigger question is: has integration and Sweden's experiment with multiculturalism failed?
And I think much of it has to do with how shallow it all is
Countries like the USA and Canada, in addition to the benefits of their large nations and their lack of historical ties, avoid a lot of the pitfalls of mass immigration European nations do. Moreover, it's very hard to get there, there's a lot of investment in getting there, and there's these very core principles and cultural values to learn (and an expectancy to learn them) that adds depth and meaning to what it means to be of North America. Someone who steps foot in America is one who wants freedom, liberty, industry, to be an American of one America.
Contrast that with Europe, where the land is expensive as fuck so migrants have to purchase the cheapest land wherever it is available near to or in economic capitals. Moreover, because of Europe's historical ties with its colonies, it gets all its migrants from few sources, whereas NA countries get theirs spread out across the world. With mass immigration then, European countries get large volumes of cohesive people grouped together in one community, thus creating no incentive for integration - no diasporas within the larger community, instead parallel communities growing and displacing the historical one.
In Britain we found this approach was a miserable failure and there has been much struggle over this, particularly in England where migration has been highest. To get around this, we focused extensively on civic nationalism, based around the strong and ancient traditions of British law, of the shared history of the Commonwealth's peoples, of the ability of London to absorb anything and produce a Londoner e.t.c. (never doubt the ability of enterprise to unite) to add this depth. Shared religious identity died with the Great War and sequel, it's been long dead, and ethnic depth would threaten to destroy the UK cos Scottish nationalists are a big thing still, so we've gone about as deep as we can go without making the burden upon citizens too much to invest into/creating threats to the sovereignty. Basically, you step on board, you grab your fish and chips and you learn your manners (or learn how to be ill mannered as a Briton) and be on your way, with some caveats of course.
Posting from a while ago this except of the London Evening Standard:
Immigration, immigration, immigration. That's what it's really all about. That's what will decide the EU referendum next week. It would be easier if it was the economy, stupid. We could talk about GP and impersonal financial forecasts but it's that political hot potato we need to grapple with. Is it ever possible to discuss immigration without being accused or caism? Or perhaps more accurately, is it ever possible to raise concerns about or call for less immigration and not be labelled a racist?
There are startling elisions on both sides of the debate. Migration from within the EU, from predominantly Eastern European countries, is overwhelmingly, if not completely, white. Yet the most fervent voices against more foreigners coming in are probably picturing black and brown faces when they talk about "taking our country back".
Both camps have been disingenuous. Leavers pandering to those fears but unable to deliver a remedy and Remainers dismissing all concerns about immigration as xenophobic or racist. EU migration isn't about race but the racism card has been played repeatedly. White audiences often seem surprised when black and Asian Britons say they want fewer immigrants.
Maybe it is proof that we have successfully integrated and feel we belong, or maybe we feel we have more to lose because we are lower down the social pecking order, or maybe it is just because we can air these views without being accused of racism. All immigrants are not the same. Each wave brings its own unique benefits and challenges. The latest wave has had the unintended effect, or perhaps even intended effect, of whitening-up the immigrant workforce.
It goes hand-in-hand with another, more important, concern, which is assimilation.
For some, a third, fourth or even fifth-generation Pakistani-Briton is more of an outsider than a fresh, off-the-coach Pole. And as easy and satisfying as it would be to dismiss that view as racist, there is an element of truth to it. Within a generation that Polish immigrant's child wiill be seen as a white Brit, with a slightly exotic name, perhaps, but "one of us" nonetheless, the cultural, religious and racial leap is a smaller one to make from Poland to Britain than Pakistan to Britain.
So if you are a racist you'd probably be better off voting Remain so we can get more white immigrants. And if you're worried about being racist than you should probably vote out so that we can have more non-EU migration. Like everything else about this referendum, it's as clear as mud.
Rashid Razaq
London Evening Standard
I sympathize very much with all the points made here, I've not much else to say on them other than that shit all matters greatly still. If you fully intend to get people to make these great leaps, this is beyond making Moses an Egyptian or Arminius a Roman, this is making whole populations choose their sovereign nation over their ancestral roots. You have to provide the depth for them to sink their roots into, or else the shallowness'll be known.
Sweden I think has been a particularly harrowing example of this, and a rather easy target because of all the memes. But behind all that, when you see Swedes sincerely give speeches on how Swedes have no culture to destroy and Swedish people don't exist, you must wonder if Europe is going to be like the fish that never notices the lake it lives in until it has dried
The notion that inviting millions of people into someone else's nation, with no expectations of civic duty made, no shared history, no common ethnicity, no common religion, different cultural values and definitions of modesty, music, dress, vice, courtship, freedom, consent, justice, work incentives, cleanliness, status mobility, equality e.t.c. - with the only plan for this massive permanent change to the demographic fabric of the nation being to provide fully for all economic and sexual needs of immigrants and asylum seekers, this notion cannot nor will it succeed in integration or survival. And if you can't provide fully for all economic and sexual needs of immigrants and asylum seekers, what the fuck are you planning, you couldn't succeed even if your theories were correct! And this is not even so; human beings are not purely economic and sexual creatures.
When so many people arrive in Sweden, what are they greeted by? What are their expectations for being Swedish?
This is the issue in making the obligations and expectations for immigrants so broad so as to be most inclusive, that they become so shallow as to become
meaningless. There is no magic Swedish clay, there is nothing to which immigrants need be tied to to make them men of Sweden. It is ultimately the people, the institutions, the habits that make the great communities we call nations, and they are nations because they are a united community - united in this depth. Thus when creating this new value system to replace the Yuro system, one of Openness, Economic Freedom, Sexual Freedom, Tolerance, Social Justice, very broad grounds meant to be universally accepting and universally applicable to all man, in its broadness it is shallow - how is it any different from just another open border leftist state?
There will be those who find absolutely no meaning, no attachment nor investment in these values whatsoever. With our jihadists, the rejectment of these values is so severe as to be militiant.
Worse still, they will find no attachment in their host country, no meaning to being Swede; the magic clay becomes a target. They lack any connection with a community, being not of their host nation nor of their roots - a hyperempowered individual obligated to nothing, owing nothing, no duty nor loyalty to anything, lacking any meaning nor provided any by the simple pleasures of the west, ready to latch onto the first identity capable of giving them meaning. Most often, the identity that gives them the strongest depth.
Tl;dr Just my thoughts on recent yurop occurrences and phenomenon
Been looking through my old posts to see what I got right, I got too much right - I didn't make happy predictions for yurop :/
Obligatory, behind all the Sweden memes, one has to acknowledge Western liberal civilization wants to die. Sweden is just the tip of the icebergGonna be a dank ride down lads, I don't even bother posting yuro enrichment anymore, it's just not news anymore
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