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[Vilanat]

The retaliation bit from Washington is baffling Since Washington's interests should theoretically align with the EU here. that is, if Washington actually cared about their tax payers more than their tax evaders/campaign donors.

[SirQuiamus]

Ireland were rather worried because Apple gave them loads of jobs, but the Beeb calculated it, and for every job Apple gave Ireland Apple made $260k annual profit

That's just bad negotiations right there, plus Ireland now gets loads of tax shekels to reinvest

capitalis gr8

fri markits r ethicul amirite

[Loud Whispers]

capitalis gr8

fri markits r ethicul amirite

you think the eu is a free market ahahahaha

eu is corporatist to the fucking max

The retaliation bit from Washington is baffling Since Washington's interests should theoretically align with the EU here. that is, if Washington actually cared about their tax payers more than their tax evaders/campaign donors.

That news came just days after the company filed its year-end lobbying report, showing it spent a record $4.5 million lobbying Washington in 2015.

Jobs despised Washington, but Cook is far more invested in the influence game. Apple spent an average of just over $1 million per year on lobbying between 1998 and 2011, the year Jobs died. After his death? About three-and-a-half times that, data collected by the Center for Responsive Politics show. In fact, Apple has spent more on lobbying since 2012 than it did in the previous 13 years combined.
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2016/01/apples-appetite-for-washington-influence-keeps-growing/

In the contest between americans and american dollars, americans get fucked

Just to confirm, you want to bet me that EU military forces will be marching against (and make landfall in, if it's 'under his window') the UK before the EU breaks apart?
I mean, sure, I'll go for it, but if I lost I think we'd all have bigger things to worry about than a forum avatar.

Tbh I'd be alright with EU military forces making landfall on the UK

We would become one giant malvinas for yurop

The shitposting generated would be incalculable

[Baffler]

Just to confirm, you want to bet me that EU military forces will be marching against (and make landfall in, if it's 'under his window') the UK before the EU breaks apart?
I mean, sure, I'll go for it, but if I lost I think we'd all have bigger things to worry about than a forum avatar.

Tbh I'd be alright with EU military forces making landfall on the UK

We would become one giant malvinas for yurop

The shitposting generated would be incalculable

Die Britischen Inseln sind Deutsch!

[sprinkled chariot]

Just to confirm, you want to bet me that EU military forces will be marching against (and make landfall in, if it's 'under his window') the UK before the EU breaks apart?
I mean, sure, I'll go for it, but if I lost I think we'd all have bigger things to worry about than a forum avatar.

Tbh I'd be alright with EU military forces making landfall on the UK

We would become one giant malvinas for yurop

The shitposting generated would be incalculable

Die Britischen Inseln sind Deutsch!

You have forgotten about russian minority being under BRUTAL CULTURAL OPRESSION there.
There is some need for !LIBERATION!

[Sheb]

Critics claim the new law violates European Union rules on free movement of goods
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-bans-plastic-cups-plates-cutlery-energy-transition-for-green-growth-a7313076.html

Everywhere you look, every time Europeans sort their shit out, the European Union is there to make sure everything goes to shits

Those "critics" is the packaging industry lobby. The EU ain't doing anything to stop France, it's just the cupmakers throwing a fit.

As for defense, have you ever read the proposals? Nothing proposed so far would put the UK's force under European command. The closest thing would be the proposal to have a permanent HQ for joint European missions (right now, EU missions have rotating HQs), but you could just, like, not join EU missions.

P.S.: I'd love to take your bet Covenant. What do you want to bet? I say if you loose, you put on an I love Merkel Avatar, and if I loose, I'll find something with BoJo.

Just to confirm, you want to bet me that EU military forces will be marching against (and make landfall in, if it's 'under his window') the UK before the EU breaks apart?

I mean, sure, I'll go for it, but if I lost I think we'd all have bigger things to worry about than a forum avatar.

Joke's on you, actually, troops from the EU regularily parade in front of Whitehall (litteraly "under his window"). Here, have some French jackboots.



Also, I love like you're turning into some kind of "Thanks Obama" meme machine, but with the EU instead. I cannot even tell if you're ironic or not. But apparently, the EU is corporatist for forcing Apple to pay billions? And Apple's shifting of intellectual patents is the fault of the EU? (Which explains why Vilanat said they were pulling the same crap in Israel?)

[SirQuiamus]

capitalis gr8

fri markits r ethicul amirite

you think the eu is a free market ahahahaha

eu is corporatist to the fucking max

When your government gave away UK's fishing quota to a Dutch trawler, and when our government gave away Finland's natural resources to multinational mining giants, they were merely letting the "free markets" work their magic.

It's not "free" as in "free speech," but "free" as in "tax-free."

E:

P.S.: I'd love to take your bet Covenant. What do you want to bet? I say if you loose, you put on an I love Merkel Avatar, and if I loose, I'll find something with BoJo.

Just to confirm, you want to bet me that EU military forces will be marching against (and make landfall in, if it's 'under his window') the UK before the EU breaks apart?

I mean, sure, I'll go for it, but if I lost I think we'd all have bigger things to worry about than a forum avatar.

Joke's on you, actually, troops from the EU regularily parade in front of Whitehall (litteraly "under his window"). Here, have some French jackboots.

I didn't get the impression that that was what Helgoland was talking about, but I guess he could clear it up if he cares to.

Found a suitable Merkel for ya!

[Loud Whispers]

Those "critics" is the packaging industry lobby. The EU ain't doing anything to stop France, it's just the cupmakers throwing a fit.

Those laws are the European Union's laws, the Commission is the European Commission

As for defense, have you ever read the proposals? Nothing proposed so far would put the UK's force under European command. The closest thing would be the proposal to have a permanent HQ for joint European missions (right now, EU missions have rotating HQs), but you could just, like, not join EU missions.

Thing is, we don't know what are the full extent of the EU's plans, other than the whole notion of if you're making a command centre, the rest of the command chain will follow. That the EU waited until after the Brexit vote to announce these plans is highly suspicious, especially since during the campaign, when the Leave campaign said the EU wanted to form a single army the EU foreign policy bureaucrat Mogherini said there was absolutely no plan to set up an EU army. Thus after the fact, it is evident the EU was willing to lie as much as it wanted to keep the UK in the EU under its obligations

How the EU integrates is that it places emphasis on cooperation, then sets up new official bureaucracy, then makes it a legal obligatory entity
The head of the snake and the body are inseparable

Joke's on you, actually, troops from the EU regularily parade in front of Whitehall (litteraly "under his window"). Here, have some French jackboots.

Troops from France are welcome, troops from the EU =/= troops from France. They fly French colours, not sellout colours. Otherwise by your shit credit stealing example, British troops are EU troops, and that is double haram.

Also, I love like you're turning into some kind of "Thanks Obama" meme machine, but with the EU instead.

Nah, I'd love to be all fanks obama for the EU, but the EU lacks any charismatic leaders whatsoever to parody
Obama on the contrary actually has personality

I cannot even tell if you're ironic or not. But apparently, the EU is corporatist for forcing Apple to pay billions? And Apple's shifting of intellectual patents is the fault of the EU? (Which explains why Vilanat said they were pulling the same crap in Israel?)

Nah the EU is corporatist because it serves only the interest of corporate lobbies
But in more seriousness, the EU fucking loves TTIP and their corporate sponsors fucking love the EU, as they can place whatever regulations they want through the EU to merk their smaller competitors and so avoid actually having to compete

When your government gave away UK's fishing quota to a Dutch trawler, and when our government gave away Finland's natural resources to multinational mining giants, they were merely letting the "free markets" work their magic.

The UK having control over 100% of its fishing stocks and the EU having control over it are two different things m8
In the former, the UK has control over 100% of its fish, it places the quotas limiting mafia trawlers from destroying our seas. In the latter, the EU lets British fishermen take a portion of its own fish, with the rest being allocated to mafia trawlers. The sheer level of bureaucracy in the EU is top cheeki, exact opposite of free market; when bureaucrats who've never held an actual job in their life can decide prices, through subsidies of unprofitable businesses and red tape all over the fucking place, controlling how much is made by who and bought by whom

Don't know what Finns did, but Finngolians will make the Khanate great again

[nuoun]

They're leaving the club, but while they're still in they're blocking something the other club members want to do among themselves? Your ideological blinds must be pretty big if you don't see how this is very questionable behaviour.

It's ok, the rest of the EU will get to veto UK's trade deals for years to come in retaliation. Not that it has much to gain, certainly not a few % of GDP in free trade that will get destroyed by tarrifs or several hundred of thousands of bankers that will move from the City to the mainland when they lose their access to the single market. I'm sure the bankers will be welcomed with open arms, unlike those other (economical) refugees.

Dunno what the fuss is about tbh, UK is already part of the EU Battlegroup rotation and if I'm not mistaken had forces under command of the EU Council in the not so distant past.

I cannot even tell if you're ironic or not.

Don't worry, LW is completely unironical to the point of bitter reactionism.

Nah the EU is corporatist because it serves only the interest of corporate lobbies
But in more seriousness, the EU fucking loves TTIP and their corporate sponsors fucking love the EU, as they can place whatever regulations they want through the EU to merk their smaller competitors and so avoid actually having to compete

Ah it's corporatist, just like the rest of the capitalist world then? If I'm not mistaken there is a lobbyist running for office of party leader of the main opposition party in the UK right now and I wonder what Cameron will do next. And what do you think the trade deals that the UK is scrambling to form will look like?

Also in other news, rather than saving those EU membership costs to fund the NHS, let's just fire those firefighters instead: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-37408975

[Loud Whispers]

It's ok, the rest of the EU will get to veto UK's trade deals for years to come in retaliation. Not that it has much to gain, certainly not a few % of GDP in free trade that will get destroyed by tarrifs or several hundred of thousands of bankers that will move from the City to the mainland when they lose their access to the single market. I'm sure the bankers will be welcomed with open arms, unlike those other (economical) refugees.

>veto trade deals with yurop
>how will this hurt yurop
lmao napoleon couldn't do it with an army, how will the EU do it without 

Dunno what the fuss is about tbh, UK is already part of the EU Battlegroup rotation and if I'm not mistaken had forces under command of the EU Council in the not so distant past.

NATO's HQ is in Brussels
We only need to put the Yurop HQ next door to get this rivalry going with full popcorn in tow

Don't worry, LW is completely unironical to the point of bitter reactionism.

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My price is one million keks

Ah it's corporatist, just like the rest of the capitalist world then?

You can see why lots of people across the capitalist world are discontent then
It's a bit of a running theme

If I'm not mistaken there is a lobbyist running for office of party leader of the main opposition party in the UK right now and I wonder what Cameron will do next.

Owen Smith is a Blairite lobbyist
Do you know how toxic that brand is
In the UK, Tony Blair is noteworthy for making the EU stronger, causing multiculturalism, causing multiculturalism to then fail, entering the UK into the Iraq war over lies, becoming peace ambassador of the middle east after blowing it up, killing socialism and replacing it with neoliberalism, killing neoliberalism and allowing socialists back in e.t.c.
In short, Owen Smith has no chance of defeating Corbyn and has said he will never return to the shadow cabinet once he loses lol, Corbyn's support IS OVERWHELMING whilst Owen Smith is nobody

Cameron's a useless sod and I'm glad he's gone too, really the one you've got to watch out for is Osborne, who has announced he intends to snake his way back into power somehow

And what do you think the trade deals that the UK is scrambling to form will look like?

There's this thing called free trade the EU really should try out some time

Also in other news, rather than saving those EU membership costs to fund the NHS, let's just fire those firefighters instead: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-37408975

The manchester fire service is funded with council taxes from manchester and this is the result of union-chairman power play

"To start the process for dismissing firefighters to then simply re-engage them on an un-negotiated contract is really appalling, and a serious breach of the agreed mechanisms for industrial relations in the UK fire and rescue service."
"This is the third change to shift systems in Greater Manchester since 2006 - surely firefighters are entitled to some sort of stability in their working lives?"
David Acton, chairman of Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Authority (GMRA), said in a statement: "We have developed a new shift duty system for firefighters which changes from a day shift of 10 and a half hours and a night shift of 13 and a half hours to two equal shifts of 12 hours.

He wants his workers to lose the protection of their current negotiated contract to work under the third shift change cos:

• 1. He's a wanker (unlikely, but possible)
• 2. Manchester was the only city in the UK where tax revenues haven't grown nearly as much as other cities

Smaller cities have seen larger increases in their tax take but big cities remain crucial. London aside, tax revenues generated in small and medium sized cities have grown more quickly than in larger cities. However, Manchester, where tax receipts grew by only 1 per cent over the decade, added only slightly less tax into the national pot over that period than the 10 fastest growing small and medium sized cities combined.

I'm not too bothered with the NHS cos the neoliberals are out of power and can't privatise it anymore, though it remains to be seen what May will do in regards to funding. Personally the reason why I'm not too bothered is because seeing it as an issue of just increasing funding is a strategy doomed to failure, as a fat nation's public health bill is unaffordable no matter how much borrowing you conduct, and obese/smoking patients will increasingly have to pay the price of their own lifestyle. It would be much more cost effective funding preventative measures and regulation and such, the sugar tax was a great step in that direction (when fighting lobbying giants like coca cola, you need to strangle them to death by eating their money) but delays like this cause me to be demoralized. If they truly bow to lobbyists here, then it will be time to put the pressure on even further come election

[smjjames]

Got a laugh out of this one: British MP misunderstands how tides work. Maybe the MP got confused by the scientists usage of saying 'Jupiter is big, but the Moon moves tides' and was like 'Well, the Sun is bigger!'.

Technically, he is partially correct, the Sun does have influence, but not to the extent he probably thinks.

[Loud Whispers]

Well it's a step forward from gays cause tides one

[Dorsidwarf]

Those laws are the European Union's laws, the Commission is the European Commission

Oh come on. Saying that the complaints of some fat cat lobbyist with vested personal interest against something is the EU crushing environmentalism is like saying that the US government is afraid of knocking over Pacific islands by overloading them with troops because of that one congressmans psychotic break.

I mean it's depressing that actual progress, not lets-import-dissatisfied-foreign-youths-from-dangerous-backgrounds and-all-look-shocked-when-they-stab-someone 'progress' is being complained about, but that ain't the big nasty EUs fault.

Like 90% of what you say I agree with / approve of because you're a proper cynical Brit , but then you come out with trash like this

[martinuzz]

Meanwhile in London, racial tensions exploded when two groups of about 100 children and adolescents attacked each other with baseball bats, chair legs and knives last monday.
Police arested 7 people between ages of 15 and 21 , and 3 people were injured., of whom 2 are still in hospital.
Eyewitnesses cannot believe that no one was killed and call it a miracle. "My partner was walking the dog in the park and suddenly saw a kid with blood coming from his ears, nose, mouth and everywhere".
Videos from the fight show groups of children relentlessly kicking and hitting kids who are already down on the ground.

According to the police, children as young as 8 years old participated in the fight between a group of white children and a group of dark skinned children.

[Sheb]

Sweden phase in tax incentive to spur repair industry.