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[Rolepgeek]

2014 as many as 18 per cent were negative towards Muslims, but only 2 per cent towards Buddhists. In the same year, when the survey was conducted more anonymously online, overall negative attitudes towards Muslims rose to 44 per cent.

And those people are too afraid to even be openly racist unless anonymous. That's just disgusting.

I'd like to ask you to reconsider. You are saying, effectively, that you would rather, all else being equal, that these people would be comfortable being racist openly. Or islamophobic, or whatever term you might prefer. Leaving aside the immense potential for temporal differences to affect polling based on media coverage. And the bias of the internet itself, since it's unlikely the same people are being polled.

Also, racism has been funding studies to justify itself for a long time now. Not really a surprise.

Pathological is probably false, however.

[smjjames]

Quote stealing..., okay, cloning, from the other thread:

Anyway, it's OK guys! Erdogan's democratic! He's dropping insult lawsuits! He also tells you to mind your own damn business.

[martinuzz]

Kilometers of traffic jam are forming in the Netherlands, as police and intelligence services are stopping and checking every single car on it's way to Schiphol airport.
According to intelligence services there are 'signals' of a threat. People going on holiday and having to catch a plane have been advised to leave some extra hours in advance if they want to make it to their flight in time.

[Sergarr]

Berlin (dpa) - Turkey is threatening to scrap a migrant deal reached this year with the European Union if the 28-member bloc does not provide visa exemptions for Turkish citizens by October.

"If a visa liberalization is not reached, we will be forced to distance ourselves from the migrant-return arrangement and the agreement from March 18," Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in remarks to German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, published Monday.

The EU struck a wide-ranging agreement with Turkey in March aimed at stemming the flow of migrants and asylum seekers trying to reach the bloc. In return, the bloc agreed to pay for refugee projects in Turkey and offered the prospect of visa-free travel for Turkish citizens visiting the EU, among other benefits.

The visa requirement for Turkish citizens travelling to the EU was originally due to be lifted in July, but the move was stalled because Turkey has not yet fulfilled all 72 criteria for the lifting, among them a reform of a controversial Turkish law on terrorism.

The migration deal works because Turkey has embraced "very serious measures," including a crackdown on human traffickers, Cavusoglu told the paper.

"But all of that is dependent on the lifting of visa requirements for our citizens, which is an article of the March 18 agreement," the minister said.

Cavusoglu asserted that his comments were not meant as a threat.

tl;dr Turkey is threatening Europe with refugees.

[Baffler]

Berlin (dpa) - Turkey is threatening to scrap a migrant deal reached this year with the European Union if the 28-member bloc does not provide visa exemptions for Turkish citizens by October.

"If a visa liberalization is not reached, we will be forced to distance ourselves from the migrant-return arrangement and the agreement from March 18," Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in remarks to German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, published Monday.

The EU struck a wide-ranging agreement with Turkey in March aimed at stemming the flow of migrants and asylum seekers trying to reach the bloc. In return, the bloc agreed to pay for refugee projects in Turkey and offered the prospect of visa-free travel for Turkish citizens visiting the EU, among other benefits.

The visa requirement for Turkish citizens travelling to the EU was originally due to be lifted in July, but the move was stalled because Turkey has not yet fulfilled all 72 criteria for the lifting, among them a reform of a controversial Turkish law on terrorism.

The migration deal works because Turkey has embraced "very serious measures," including a crackdown on human traffickers, Cavusoglu told the paper.

"But all of that is dependent on the lifting of visa requirements for our citizens, which is an article of the March 18 agreement," the minister said.

Cavusoglu asserted that his comments were not meant as a threat.

tl;dr Turkey is threatening Europe with refugees.

I can see why tbh, and I think the Euros pretty squarely shot themselves in the foot on this one. If the Turks aren't getting any of the things they were promised in return for upholding their end of the bargain, why should they keep on honoring it?

[hector13]

Erdogan wants to make it look like he's standing up to the big bad yooros.

Looks like he's trying to do it by throwing his toys out the pram though. He won't get any good deals by refusing to abide by the terms of previous ones.

[Baffler]

Erdogan wants to make it look like he's standing up to the big bad yooros.

Looks like he's trying to do it by throwing his toys out the pram though. He won't get any good deals by refusing to abide by the terms of previous ones.

Turkey's not getting anything they were promised with this deal. None of the financial aid, none of the loosening of visa requirements. The European Union very clearly has no intention of upholding it's end of the bargain, so again, why should Turkey?

[Sergarr]

The deal for visa-free travel and monetary aid was that Turkey would fill 72 criteria in addition to holding refugees. They haven't fulfilled them, so they get jack shit. I don't see the problem here, Turkey has signed the deal and knew the conditions.

[Antioch]

Erdogan wants to make it look like he's standing up to the big bad yooros.

Looks like he's trying to do it by throwing his toys out the pram though. He won't get any good deals by refusing to abide by the terms of previous ones.

Turkey's not getting anything they were promised with this deal. None of the financial aid, none of the loosening of visa requirements. The European Union very clearly has no intention of upholding it's end of the bargain, so again, why should Turkey?

That's just not true, Turkey did already receive at least part of the money and the Visa deal always included a list of criteria, Turkey agreed to this.

But now Erdogan is going full dictator those criteria will never be fullfilled.

[Baffler]

Hm, I may need to get better sources. Last I heard Europe had been holding out the money, which was not attached to these criteria, on the basis of Turkey not having met the criteria. It should be interesting to see how this goes forward though. Turkey wants those visa perks, but not nearly as much as Europe wants to stem the flow of migrants, and I'm willing to bet that those now stuck in Turkey would go on to Europe if they could. Whatever schadenfreude I may feel at the EU being in the position of weakness here, though, it's not really a good situation for anyone.

[Antioch]

Hm, I may need to get better sources. Last I heard Europe had been holding out the money, which was not attached to these criteria, on the basis of Turkey not having met the criteria. It should be interesting to see how this goes forward though. Turkey wants those visa perks, but not nearly as much as Europe wants to stem the flow of migrants, and I'm willing to bet that those now stuck in Turkey would go on to Europe if they could. Whatever schadenfreude I may feel at the EU being in the position of weakness here, though, it's not really a good situation for anyone.

wouldn't really call it such a position of weakness, even if cancelled the deal will still have prevented a lot of refugees at a height of the crisis, worst that can happen is going back to the old situation, though I doubt we would see as much refugees trying to cross as before the deal. It might also very well be that the border just remains closed from the EU side.

[martinuzz]

Refugee influx has decreased by so much that there's already shelters and detention centers being shut down here in the Netherlands.

[Orange Wizard]

Meanwhile, a number of parties in NZ are taking up "increase the refugee quota" as official policy.

[Pwnzerfaust]

Refugee influx has decreased by so much that there's already shelters and detention centers being shut down here in the Netherlands.

I have a feeling that's a mistake. Last year they originally underestimated the influx by about a million. Sure, because of the deal this year might be slow, but if it falls through, next year will be another 2015.

[miljan]

Over 30 000 turks protest in Germany against coup, in support of Turkish President Erdogan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoEkbRYNprw