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[hector13]

At this point it seems there may not be much left of Kemal Atatürk's Turkey by the end of the year.

I am very disappointed. 

Islam is strong. Secular Iran and Afghanistan are forgotten, Turkey goes the same route. The funniest stuff will start happen when we'll see desecularization of France and Germany.

That's unlikely to happen.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

At this point it seems there may not be much left of Kemal Atatürk's Turkey by the end of the year.

I am very disappointed. 

Islam is strong. Secular Iran and Afghanistan are forgotten, Turkey goes the same route. The funniest stuff will start happen when we'll see desecularization of France and Germany.

That's unlikely to happen.

I can't see why not. There are more and more Muslims and they are ready to act to change Europe to their ideal, the other side is not ready to protect their ideals (no, facebook and twitter tags don't count)

[hector13]

At this point it seems there may not be much left of Kemal Atatürk's Turkey by the end of the year.

I am very disappointed. 

Islam is strong. Secular Iran and Afghanistan are forgotten, Turkey goes the same route. The funniest stuff will start happen when we'll see desecularization of France and Germany.

That's unlikely to happen.

I can't see why not. There are more and more Muslims and they are ready to act to change Europe to their ideal, the other side is not ready to protect their ideals (no, facebook and twitter tags don't count)

I imagine the political process matters, though. They won't manage it through that, not in a historically non-Muslim country.

While I appreciate ISIS and the like are quite happy to force their views on others vis-a-vis non-secular governments, they are very much in the minority, even moreso in the aforementioned non-Muslim countries..

If you're expecting people to convert en masse to Islam - a very necessary step I would imagine, in the world you foresee - then I would be quite willing to bet money you won't ever see that happen, certainly not to the extremist, mass murder-y, "let's enact religious law" variety.

[Rolepgeek]

You'd need, what, 40 million people to either immigrate or convert?

I expect there would be race wars by the time 30 million people immigrated, and I don't see half of Germany converting. Or France. Too many people with innate resentment, let alone willingness to convert. Liberals won't because it's fine for other people to do it but it's certainly not feminist. Also because it would mean they couldn't be atheist+. Conservatives won't because those filthy sand people are what's wrong with the country in the first place, or because Jesus says no, or because they'd have to change their whole investment strategy. Or because they're old and don't like change.

[MarcAFK]

Second coming of Charles Martel when?

[Orange Wizard]

Remove scourge of christendom

[martinuzz]

In France, former president Sarkozy, who hopes to become president again next year, said France is in "total war".
He urged to stop calling perpetrators of acts like in Nice "disturbed", or "mentally ill", but instead we should call them by their real name, "enemy".

He pleads for the opening of many deradicalisation centers, says people who have any ties to radical islam should be deported from the country, and anyone showing signs of radicalisation should either be forced to wear an electronic ankle bracelet, or rather be detained preventively (without being accused of a crime).

Furthermore he wants to be able to close down places that preach salafism, and change the freedom of religion part of the constitution so radical imams can be deported.

The French government responded by warning against politicians who claim the attack could have been avoided. "There is no such thing as zero risk", and warned against the "Trumpification of French minds"

http://lci.tf1.fr/politique/attentat-de-nice-sarkozy-et-le-gouvernement-s-echarpent-sur-la-8767027.html
http://www.lejdd.fr/Politique/Manuel-Valls-Nous-allons-gagner-cette-guerre-797599

[martinuzz]

At a EU - US summit this morning in Brussels, the EU and US made a joint statement in which they urge Turkey to respect human rights.
John Kerry said that while the US supports Turkey, as a NATO member, the US strongly urges Turkey to respect democratic institutions and the constitutional state, and warned Turkey that they must respect human rights.

The Belgian minister Didier Reynders said that he understands that sanctions against those who participated in the coup are understandable, but that reintroducing the death penalty is unacceptable, and that "we must make clear to Erdogan that he cannot go too far".

 EU Commissionar Johannes Hahn (of Expansion) commented that he thinks it's worrisome that there are this many officials being arrested and fired, this fast. He says that it strongly suggests that the government already had a list of poeple to fire and arrest ready before the coup started.

By now, nearly 10000 officials have been fired, of whom about 7000 police officers.

EDIT: and next to that, 7543 people have been arrested, of whom 6038 soldiers.

[Kot]

Desecularization of Poland soon, my friends. Deus certainly does Vult.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

If you're expecting people to convert en masse to Islam - a very necessary step I would imagine, in the world you foresee - then I would be quite willing to bet money you won't ever see that happen, certainly not to the extremist, mass murder-y, "let's enact religious law" variety.

I think that you need no majority to push for changes you want. You need to be more active than the other side.

Look at Turkey. Erdogan is not exactly Islamist. In fact he is rather far away from that. But he uses them to get more power and give them more power in exchange. Turkey will not be Saudi Arabia or Sunni version of Iran any time soon but the direction is clear.

Muslims will find allies in European politics. They will get more influence. They will desecularize European countries. Unless something will be done to reduce the power of Islam.

[Orange Wizard]

I think that's just fearmongering

[martinuzz]

Just make an EU law that forbid indoctrinating children (18-) with a belief. Put a 18+ label on churches, mosques, synagogues and other temples like with alcohol and tobacco, and have social workers regularily check school populations for religious indoctrination. Have Child Protective Services place children that are being home-churched into foster care. [/sarcasm]

[Kot]

Poe's Law!

[martinuzz]

Poe's Law!

I was already adding a /sarcasm tag while you were posting that haha

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Spoiler: how all those officers managed to fail? (click to show/hide)

BTW,  Erdogan is aproaching Stalin's level of army purging here. Can we say goodbye to a strong Turkish armed forces (on other hand... Are forces that can't capture two cities in their own country strong?)