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[miljan]

That's a mistake. the enemy is within, not somewhere in Raqqa or Mosul. the reason for the enemy being an enemy also isn't in Raqqa or Mosul, it's in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt and such.

There's enemies all over the place, but the ones under arms are the most immediate threat. Frankly I'm in favour of invading pretty much every country in the Middle-east, but one thing at a time. Imperialism can wait.

That type of logic is what got us here with terrorist attacks. If countries did not start all this shit up in middle east with invading, destroying million of lives and not thinking at all, including france, you would not have this shit here.

If you attack countries, bomb countries, try to force and dictate a change in other countries, you should not be surprised at some time in the future that they will bite you back and bring the war (or little taste of it) back to you.

Anyway there is nothing france can do now (it could maybe 10/20 years ago, but not now). They will increase probably bombing the desert or the city killing few more civilians for media and similar, and than go back to how it was.

How come Japan, Korea, Germany, Israel, Mexico, China, Vietnam didn't manufacture masses of terrorists then?

I dont understand, what do all this countries have in common? What has vietnam that resisted USA invasion and won the war has to do with israel and constant terrorist attacks in that country as they invaded palestine, or a country like germany? Explain your self better because I dont know what your point is or what you are trying to say

[miljan]

Bla
EDIT:
Offtopic: Is there a way to delete my post?

[martinuzz]

They have in common that they were all bombed, invaded, and / or a regime change was forced upon them.

[Teneb]

They have in common that they were all bombed, invaded, and / or a regime change was forced upon them.

What they don't have in common is that none of them had completely artificial frontiers made up by Britain/France playing map painting, resulting in a bunch of people who utterly hate each other having to live together.

[Sheb]

Is there any country that hasn't?

[Sheb]

Apparently the Nice truck was stopped when someone jumped in the cab to stop it, giving the police the opportunity to stop the terrorist, according to Estrosi, the regional president. Hats off to that hero.

[Teneb]

Is there any country that hasn't?

Most in Europe and the Americas? Terrorists aside, you usually don't see French killing other French because of their ethnicity. Spain is where it gets a bit more heated, but nowhere near the level of Africa and the Middle East.

[Sheb]

Actually, you ninja'ed me, I wanted to react to martinuzz :p.

[Teneb]

Actually, you ninja'ed me, I wanted to react to martinuzz :p.

Ah, sorry.

[martinuzz]

Is there any country that hasn't?

Most in Europe and the Americas? Terrorists aside, you usually don't see French killing other French because of their ethnicity. Spain is where it gets a bit more heated, but nowhere near the level of Africa and the Middle East.

Yeah, but is way too easy to simply blame that on colonial borders. Not saying they don't have a part in it, but there's lots of countries comprised of multiple ethnicities that were once hostile but now consider themselves one people and live together peacefully, within borders which are just as man-made.
The colonial borders have a larger part in it in central and West African countries than in arab countries.
I daresay the main reason for people utterly hating each other living together in the most prominent terrorist spawning countries has jack shit to do with colonial borders, and everything with religion. Sunni vs Shii, and them both vs heretics.

[Sheb]

Nah, it's me, I should have edited that one out.

[Teneb]

Yeah, but is way too easy to simply blame that on colonial borders. Not saying they don't have a part in it, but there's lots of countries comprised of multiple ethnicities that were once hostile but now consider themselves one people and live together peacefully.
The colonial borders have a larger part in it in central and West African countries than in arab countries.
I daresay the main reason for people utterly hating each other living together in the most prominent terrorist spawning countries has jack shit to do with colonial borders, and everything with religion. Sunni vs Shii, and them both vs heretics.

Which is probably not helped by bunching them up in a single place, taking whichever is the minority and putting those in power over people who oppressed them. Never goes wrong.

[Vilanat]

What they don't have in common is that none of them had completely artificial frontiers made up by Britain/France playing map painting, resulting in a bunch of people who utterly hate each other having to live together.

Which is an excuse/reason for terrorism, how exactly?

[martinuzz]

Taking whichever is the minority and putting those in power over people who oppressed them. Never goes wrong.

So you're saying the US should have never allowed a black person to be in charge?     [/sarcasm]

More seriously, what alternative did you have in mind? Support the oppressing majority?

[Orange Wizard]

IMO the best bet is a foreign/UN-backed government with extremely extensive development programmes. Sink lots of money in, build hospitals, get people into education.
Next step is a gradual progression towards democracy, as the new generation of healthy, educated, hopefully non-violent people grows up. Once they look like they're taking care of themselves we can bugger off and offer them trade deals.

Basically the White Man's Burden, but less racist, and more expensive.