LW, I've noticed an unfortunately high amount of word "they" unaccompanied by definition of "they" in the nearby sentences. My reinforcement scheme tells me this may be an indicator for a conspiracy theorist. You should probably avoid looking like one of those guys.
Do I look like I care m8
Slap me some tinfoil, it's just a pronoun and it's a lot easier than listing up all the think tanks, financiers, politicians and nameless blob of supporters, reporters and academics :
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And I specifically do not want to create the illusion that stopping the ESI or a single politician or even all of them or even the European Union would be a magic bullet, because this is a long term trend.
Also, again with "diversity" being bad by default? Diversity is, literally, the most important parameter for any kind of system that hopes to be able to withstand a test of time. Low diversity means that any kind of sudden change in environmental parameters has a high chance of wiping said "low diversity" system out. You can even argue that this is exactly what's currently happening in Europe, as a result of a particular unity (European Union) dominating over such a great number of people - even a small crisis has managed to put the whole system at risk of failing.
You've just fallen for a word trap of re-definition, set by the bureaucrats of Europe, who say "diversity" without actually meaning any kind of real diversity, the one that would most definitely end their current hegemony over European states.
I've fallen for nothing Sergarr, do you think I am against progress when I talk of progressivism? Do you think I am against conserving when I talk of conservatism? Do you think I am against cultural enrichment because I talk of cultural enrichment? Do you think I am against diversity when I talk of diversity? No, for the very simple reason that they all have their political usage and I use them because everyone is under no illusion what the words represent. I even stated the end goal is a homogeneous mass of consumers, homogeneity is the exact opposite of diversity, but we are not talking about diversity we are talking about "diversity."
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So it has come to good old rivers of blood after all.
Rivers of blood, whose gonnaaa liveNever thought I'd see the day where mainstream news peeps say Enoch Powell was right
shiggy diggy wat u doin its year of our current+1
I was watching someone interview him in the current year, the old guy. They asked him if he was happy with his legacy and he said he was happy to have made his voice heard, given that decades later his voice has resonated and he is vindicated. They asked him a second time the exact same question and he teared up and said he'd wished he died in the war. This is the price of failure.
I would also like to expand a bit on question Sergarr already made regarding diversity/"diversity" and I'd like to aim it specifically at you, Loud Wispers: in your words we are seeing mainly a bad examples of forced diversity or kek cultural enrichment as you often put it, but surely there is a way to have multicultural society without any culture trampling over another?
Oh, their implementation of multiculturalism failed before, this is another thing entirely. You cannot even attempt to integrate people in such numbers that they replace the natives, there's no point even talking about multicultural strategies or the benefits and penalties of it in numbers this great. What is it, 1/4 in Britain are foreign born? Germany is three years off from having its own youth minorities?
There is a way to have a multicultural society, but it has to be with countries of multiple large ethnic/religious/cultural groups who have lived together for centuries or have had a long shared history. I mean it's worth noting that before the Holocaust the greatest existential threat German jews faced was the simple process of assimilation, they would have become as Kaifeng Jews, wearing Han clothes, traditions, surnames, names, religious practices and philosophy - being for all intents and purposes, indistinguishable from the Han. You will get more diversity from communities with strong geographical barriers in the same manner that all the Huguenots, Fulanis, Anglo-Saxons, Flems, Igbos, Malinese, Han, Nippon, Germans, Spaniards e.t.c. become one Braaaziiiiiiilllll goal goal goal
Or the same manner in which the melting pot forges from its crucible of diversity, one mass that is equal parts everything, yet is of none of those things. Just like all the Americans who are part Choctaw Indian, part Irish, part German, part Ghambian, and are none of these things. It is just a matter of numbers. Western intellectual Europeans have taken a fancy towards eradicating their own cultures though, and Western conservative Europeans have taken a fancy towards selling them, so I suspect much of their ancient traditions and cultures would have been lost irregardless of mass migration. Yet migration in such numbers that their children become minorities? Well, that's not cultural exchange, that's annihilation (in the sense of antimatter and matter colliding, leaving nothing). Or perhaps it will merely result in the strongest of cultures taking root, which is what I believe will happen.
Cultural exchange and conservation I have found to have been the best of systems. Small quantities of migrants, selective choosing of temporary workers or resident workers in small enough numbers that they do not displace those before them whilst enriching everything about their host culture (whilst providing economic incentive to do so and not creating migrant ghettoes), relaxed visas for students, foreign teachers (religious, academic and STEM) e.t.c.
Consider how London has always traditionally been affecting and influencing the cultures of all the people around it, from Southwestern England to the North, to Wales and Scotland and Ireland, to Scilly to the Islands and so on - yet it has never wholly consumed the cultures around it simply because geographical barriers have made it difficult for the cosmopolitan cultural juggernaut to erase them. Cultural exchange without total destruction, what is there not to love?
Well, you should also preference those common to your civilization and history. Europeans with Europeans, the vast array of Indian cultures with India, the vast array of cultures with the Commonwealth with Britain - notably with Britain having had migration from all across the Commonwealth for a century without issue, with the issues having arisen from:
- Native Britons going full retard, organizing and seeking mass migration
- Organizing those new migrants in communities to operate as communities, not individuals
- Teaching those communities to hate Britain for having brought them to Britain
- A lot of these migrants having come from areas within the Commonwealth that are not compatible with Britain at all.
- Pretending the British don't exist
Sikhs, Sunnis, Shias, Hindus, Yazidis, Jews, Catholics, Orthodox, Atheists, Apostates, Homosexuals e.t.c., most within the Commonwealth are compatible, it's notable even that Pakistanis have not traditionally been a problem until Labour sought migrants from rural Pakistan, with rural Pakistanis having made up most of the grooming gangs using English children as sex slaves due to them having spent most of their time in isolation developing culture entirely at odds with Britain. It was a simple issue of scale and selection, understandably when you give up any will or ability to control the scale or selection it grows out of control ;
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So what do you propose in stead of current format, as you seem sure that one has failed spectacularly? You have mentioned what could be done in some past posts like letting foreign people study here bond with locals and grow fond of country they are staying in, but what about here and now - what plans, if any, would save the Europe before the cataclysmic end-times you are sure to happen?
I don't know; least not for the Western continent. All the plans I had before will not be sufficient or will simply fail if they were to be implemented now under the most optimistic of conditions. Actually I'd say the Germans are trying to do half the things that'd succeed, even if they're deliberately sabotaged by their kin. If they can bring migration down to 800,000 annual the Germans will still be fucked but their country could pull it off and prosper (with some debt and euroshekel magic) to leave a great legacy, they are already trying to reeducate new arrivals into being good lil progresiv (this will not work), but if they can integrate migrants with Germans through intermarriage they can sacrifice the Germans to ensure that in the future the lil kids afterwards will still be speaking German and will still walk around with the airs of Germans. May not be protties but they'd be losing a thing that's already dead so not much is lost there. And hey, is there any nicer way to ending a crisis than with true wuv? Blanda up for survival, or just have your own kids ya blady degenerates xD
But I said it before and I've said it again, there's no bloody point arguing over national identity, culture or whatever if Europe collapses, whether we live under a pozmopolitan or a Caliphate it won't matter if it's prosperous and it won't matter if it's in chaos, so let's make it prosperous. Might need to give up social services in the wealthy nations completely, reinforce the border, begin mass repatriations/deportations, keep the youngest of migrants if they want to stay and make them legally obliged to go into education to give them literacy and basic job skills - this will only allow them to enter competently into the most basic of jobs, but after decades of experience with a grasp of the native language they will be able to ascend higher in the job pyramid and their children will be able to enter into the most demanding, complex and influential jobs after them. That should get things back to a stable and prosperous Europe, though it will piss off both the marxists and the nationalists so it's not going to happen. There must be another way, but I'm still thinking. Honestly we should've just been more like Poland, prevention is the best cure.
Asking because even though we here are just some random internet people who probably can't change anything but empty discussions about solutions sure beat empty discussion about imminent apocalypse.
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