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[Cyroth]

There is only one thing I know about Polish history:

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WHEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED

[Kagus]

Don't forget the big black club!

[dragdeler]

You're tripping, there is no history east of tigris and rhine. # Canaan in the borders of 67BC

[Teneb]

You're tripping, there is no history east of tigris and rhine. # Canaan in the borders of 67BC

Everyone knows that The West had no history before the 15th century when they got ashamed of it and enviously copied China's history to make up "Egypt", "Rome" and "Feudalism".

[MetalSlimeHunt]

So the EU has issued a 12 day deadline to the UK to make some progress or "it's over". Happening levels are greater than ever before.

[Egan_BW]

So the EU has issued a 12 day deadline to the UK to make some progress or "it's over". Happening levels are greater than ever before.

Brexit is over, now we're on Breviction.

[Cheesy Honkers]

Boris Bruck off?

[smjjames]

So the EU has issued a 12 day deadline to the UK to make some progress or "it's over". Happening levels are greater than ever before.

Sounds like it was basically a call for 'Could you please at least tell us what ideas you do have?' since they have shared some confidential documents (though I'm sure it'd be easy to figure out what's in them anyway) documents with the EU. The UK government does claim that it's not in response to the comments from the Finnish PM.

[askovdk]

Just when you think the situation couldn't get more chaotic in UK, ... then it does:
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-parliament-suspension-unlawful-supreme-court/

Well, at least my favorite reality show will soon be on the air again.  http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Commons 

[scriver]

I can't stand the Brittish parliament. I don't understand how decisions can be made under those circumstances.

I mean, obviously, they can't. But they could before and the awful working environment was still there then too.

[smjjames]

I can't stand the Brittish parliament. I don't understand how decisions can be made under those circumstances.

I mean, obviously, they can't. But they could before and the awful working environment was still there then too.

And yet they somehow seem to be able to get other legislation through. As much as Brexit dominates everything, I haven't heard anything about it impeding the day to day workings and just generally getting things done.

It'll definitely be hard to get anything else done during the time crunch between now and October 31st though.

[smjjames]

Brexit drama continues... There's speculation that a no confidence vote could be called next week sometime.

[smjjames]

Nothing going on in Europe?

Anyways, I'm wondering on something. I've read that Corbyn is hated heavily because socialist (plus the whole anti-semitism scandal), but I'm a little confused due to the different definitions of 'socialism' being thrown around and the fact that Europes spectrum is shifted left somewhat of the US. So, basically I'm wondering, when Brits say Corbyn is socialist and disliked even on the left for it, do they mean the American definition of 'thing I don't like and don't want to have a productive conversation about it' or do they mean he is true full blown hardcore dictionary definition fitting socialist/communist?

[TD1]

Both 

[scriver]

Social democracy and the labour movement is socialist at heart and in origins and it's values and end-goals reflect that. However since the neo-liberal wave of the 80's the party establishments has drifted heavily right-wards, trading massive, fundamental parts of socialist ideology for neo-liberal brainfarts. In Britain, this came to a head with Tony Blair and his "New Labour" which basically threw socialism under the bus and went straight liberal.

Now, Corbyn is more of an actual social democrat. Somebody who still holds to more of the pre-neo-liberal Labour ideology. He came into power because people were getting tired of the "New Labour" nonsense, but because the Labour establishment is fundamentally liberlised by now, has spent basically all his time having to fight his own party members since he has the support of Labour members but not it's leadership (or at least did, I don't know where he currently stands).

So to answer your question of "when Brits say Corbyn is socialist and disliked even on the left for it, do they mean the American definition of 'thing I don't like and don't want to have a productive conversation about it' or do they mean he is true full blown hardcore dictionary definition fitting socialist/communist?": Neither, because that's still a thoroughly Americanised view of things. It depends on if your "true full blown hard-core dictionary definition" includes social democracy and the labour movement as Socialist (which it should, or it's wrong).