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[Deus Asmoth]

DA's playstyle being like a brick wall. Tough and grumpy.

Just got home. More to follow, hopefully.

[TheDarkStar]

Why would I create a quicktopic for a cult with people who aren't part of it? Why would anyone mention a cult quicktopic if it was supposed to be secret?

[Deus Asmoth]

It's probably also worth mentioning that the chat was created on night 2, and the number of cult members only increased during night 3 if 4mask is to be believed.

[4maskwolf]

TolyK

After dinner I'll type up a post about why.

[Teneb]

I'll try to write up a post pretty soon. Today was not an easy day, since I did not sleep last night and the appropriately-named "waters of march" have started. In short, the entire city (plus others) are in complete disarray (exploding power lines, fallen trees, flooding...) thanks to a storm.

[Deus Asmoth]

Well you're definitely allied, if that was questioned

[TheDarkStar]

TolyK

After dinner I'll type up a post about why.

*waits*

[4maskwolf]

TolyK

After dinner I'll type up a post about why.

*waits*

Have patience, my young padawan, beyond a quick poke in here to bitch about anti-beaglerush I've been busy all evening.  I'm here now, though, give me a bit to put together my case from my scattered thoughts.

[4maskwolf]

Point the first:

Aha, so cult leader, by your words. Don't be surprised if I end up as a cult member as well (though I have... tricks up my sleeve... if I get to use them  ), if this crap is a slowed conversion.

This is weird as shit.  Out of all of the possible and (by Occam's Razor) more likely scenarios for why the cult didn't convert nights one or two, among them "The cult leader had other powers to use", "the cult leader was role blocked", etc., TolyK picks "Slowed conversion".  Without more than one conversion there's no way to be sure that he's right, which would be suspiciously prescient, but it's one of the things in his play that pinged my attention.

Alright, what I see from information so far:

- 3+ people have boxes of Orden.
- We have an everyone-wins scenario, but not on the first day. It probably involves TDS killing himself.
- Shakerag's twin probably steals roles.
- We have a mafia, no SK (by the looks of it), and possibly a cult. At least based on "no double teams", which could be broken here.

This last point also pinged my notice, because he says, supposedly without any prior knowledge of the actual roles in the game, "no sk, possibly a cult".  Obviously if he were actually a cult leader he would be able to surmise that there probably wasn't an SK due to balance issues, but even with the excuse of "I have a power that turns someone into a serial killer" (which is a really weird power to claim to begin with, even in a game like this).  This was another post from his early game that I noticed and took note of for later.

In general he's struck me as not playing in the way I usually associate with town!TolyK and saying things that he shouldn't reasonably know without extra knowledge, and in this case that extra knowledge would most likely stem from being the cult leader.  I'll dig up some more stuff when I'm actually awake, but bleh, tired.

[TolyK]

... I was talking about being potentially slowly converted myself with the infractions. I don't like how you misrepresent that as if that's why I'm guessing the leader didn't cultify anyone first night or two. That could be the case, of course, but so far we know absolutely nothing about how the cult works. I've already clarified on my guesses earlier.

Also, since people didn't get it:
The Quicktopic I made N1 was between Box of Orden holders/users. Night 1! By then there was only 1 cult leader and that's it, by 4mask's words.
 Stop trying to fit your damned cult in everywhere, jeez. :p

[Tiruin]

Also, since people didn't get it:
The Quicktopic I made N1 was between Box of Orden holders/users. Night 1! By then there was only 1 cult leader and that's it, by 4mask's words.
 Stop trying to fit your damned cult in everywhere, jeez. :p

Hmm...

It's probably also worth mentioning that the chat was created on night 2, and the number of cult members only increased during night 3 if 4mask is to be believed.

Oho!

Well...You didn't include the person who explicitly has a role that puts those boxes in play? The time wherein people knew the box holders was at least by this post and nuuuubuddy knew that DA has the box until he opened it. TDS made a softclaim that nuuuubuddy could know unless they can infer the ORDEN thingy.

So why make a quicktopic with one person (DA) who ALREADY HAS A USED BOX instead of bringing and adding the person who actually has the power/role that brings those darn boxes into play? IMO, you'd at least understand the bloody boxes if you knew the mechanics behind it (ie The person holding the role that makes it exist--it's my primary standpoint on WHY PEOPLE SHOULDN'T FOCUS ON DARNED NPCs because THEY'RE TIED TO A PERSOOOOOOOOON) :I

I didn't guess 'that' because it seemed totally irrelevant >_>
Can you expound on that decision on why it was a good decision to do such a thing? :V

Alrighty, I've been checking the lurkertracker and snooping down TMS' posts. While his posts are more shotgun and differing in a varied paragraph's worth of content--it's a consistent pattern of linear thinking; he may not be the best dude around in scumhunting, but when he has developed an accusation (inasfar as reading the source/posts equate narrative analysis), he follows it, maybe superficially without thinking about the others, but it follows because those 'others' during his periods of activity bursts, lack posts.

On that note, Tawarochir has lesser posts than the dead. :V And it seems that the current voting system depends on the *how* a person acted (which is very reasonable), but in considering TMS... I honestly doubt that TMS would be acting very, um, straightforwardly(?) if Mafia, or if Cult in which he bases his vote on 'cultist cultist o_O'.

Do you have substantial ideas in this context of voteplacement DA/TDS? I'm doing a bit of silly-poking on NQT's ideas here (which I bet is what he'd be doing if he was alive), so in lieu of this perpetual-ish day, I'd like to hear more from you two. Especially towards TMS, because he has that...thing he does that messes up my read-dar. The essence of that thing that is.

Well you're definitely allied, if that was questioned

Funny, I'd think I'd belong in that category, don't you? Though now that you've said that... it's possible that you are the one with the box of Orden that changes posts. I'll check tonight,

Yo, lots of questions directed to you up there dude :O
Also TolyK and TDS are the ones left with the Boxes of Orden :v
Why is there specific differentiation when...nobody even knows which box does what? What's the use of that?

TolyK

After dinner I'll type up a post about why.

*waits*

Have patience, my young padawan, beyond a quick poke in here to bitch about anti-beaglerush I've been busy all evening.  I'm here now, though, give me a bit to put together my case from my scattered thoughts.

Hope it clears up soon!
Wish you posted more too ._.

I'll try to write up a post pretty soon. Today was not an easy day, since I did not sleep last night and the appropriately-named "waters of march" have started. In short, the entire city (plus others) are in complete disarray (exploding power lines, fallen trees, flooding...) thanks to a storm.

Yoo tew \o/

...Any thoughts on my plan on day end though? Anyone? .-.

DA's playstyle being like a brick wall. Tough and grumpy.

Just got home. More to follow, hopefully.

I didn't mean it that way ._. I mean your scumhunting playstyle sometimes has a rough but astute tone (which is why I made it like a brick wall, it gets the point across--not bluntly, but plainly and acknowledge-...etically )

[TolyK]

I checked just now. I did make the chat N1. They got invited starting D2, technically, but I made it N1.
Why those three and not the person who claimed to have made them (who has the role that makes them)? I felt 3 was enough, + DA already flipped town by that point.
Also, has everyone forgotten that DA claimed to have opened the 2nd box and gotten post manipulation powers? Where everyone voted him?

I wasn't worried about what any boxes did (I had already figured out mine was a masskill, so heh), so why would I add TMS? The reason for the chat was a good jumping-off point.


Also, Tawar has basically been absent indeed, though his (her?) actions were trying to... eat NQT's soul (and failing) and... well...

Either way I'd be OK with a day end now, this has been dragging on for a while and it seems the last 2-3 pages have been slight back-and-forths with little knowledge gained.

[Tiruin]

I checked just now. I did make the chat N1. They got invited starting D2, technically, but I made it N1.
Why those three and not the person who claimed to have made them (who has the role that makes them)? I felt 3 was enough, + DA already flipped town by that point.
Also, has everyone forgotten that DA claimed to have opened the 2nd box and gotten post manipulation powers? Where everyone voted him?

Where is that opened the 2nd box and how in the world is that even possible? :V
Also if you felt 3 was enough, why pick TDS over TMS?

Also, Tawar has basically been absent indeed, though his (her?) actions were trying to... eat NQT's soul (and failing) and... well...

Tawa is a He, and an awesome He at that. I'm the only She here

Either way I'd be OK with a day end now, this has been dragging on for a while and it seems the last 2-3 pages have been slight back-and-forths with little knowledge gained.

That's cuz very few people have been posting :V [like yoooooooooou], especially on 'hey, day end please? ' but lacking note on how I can day end -_- I offered a plan darn'it! (but seriously: I get no feedback on what I said.)
Also I see that abbr tag in the 2-3 pages! :I

[hector13]

... Also, has everyone forgotten that DA claimed to have opened the 2nd box and gotten post manipulation powers? Where everyone voted him?

That was TDS. Easy enough mistake to make, though.

[TolyK]

Buh. That was indeed a typo. I even said several times DA killed himself. -.-

Why is there specific differentiation when...nobody even knows which box does what? What's the use of that?

Because if they're cult, (which I think TDS is) we'd need to lynch the one with post manipulation powers first. So that's out of the way.

But
- we know who has what (TDS has the post manip powers)
- TDS = cult leader? Then how could he target himself all 3 nights and recruit someone? (I'm pretty sure someone said he visited himself 3 nights). It's possible we only have his word that he self-targeted 3 nights, which means it's technically possible.