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No (flat 0.3E/T/u, break-even times 3T, 5T, 8T, 13T, 19T) (pro: Balances T4-based agents, contra: Takes forever to break even)

6 (33.3%)

Yes (1/3 creation cost/T, break-even times 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T) (pro: 3x break-even ratio preserved, contra: Low-tier races useless)

2 (11.1%)

Yes ((tier + 1)/3, break-even times 3T, 6T, 8T, 10T, 12T) (pro: Maximizes above two's strengths? contra: Maximizes above two's weaknesses?)

9 (50%)

Yes (other scale posted in thread)

1 (5.6%)

Yes (another scale posted in thread)

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 18

[piratejoe]

Phonoi has managed to piss me off though.

same

[micelus]

My headcanon is that Khoomei is a lot like Finnish poem-singing. Ancient Finns believed that knowledge on the nature of something equals power over it. In the manner of many other cultures with oral traditions, this knowledge was stored in poems. Shamans ('tietäjä'; lit. 'one who knows') could then sing the poems and cast magic that way.

The Finnish national epic, the Kalevala, has a famous poem-song about a wizard duel. (Yo dawg, I herd u liek poem-singing...) The duel bears an uncanny resemblance to a modern rap battle, with the combatants singing and bragging about how much they know. The winner sings his opponent into a swamp. What that actually means is up to interpretation, but magic is certainly involved.

Its basically this but the actual singing is more Mongolian thaan Finnish; khoomei is an actual form of throatsinging in Mongolia.

[Happy Demon]

Wait, where does it say making magic costs 15E?
Did I miss something in the OP, or was it a pricecheck answer by KJP?

[Stirk]

Wait, where does it say making magic costs 15E?
Did I miss something in the OP, or was it a pricecheck answer by KJP?

It costs 10E to make a new magic system, but making new magic schools under a preexisting system is free. That was from a pricecheck.

[Happy Demon]

Wait, where does it say making magic costs 15E?
Did I miss something in the OP, or was it a pricecheck answer by KJP?

It costs 10E to make a new magic system, but making new magic schools under a preexisting system is free. That was from a pricecheck.

Ah, well that means it'll be some ticks until I can make the Alfar, if I have to pay 10E before I can even make them.

[Stirk]

Wait, where does it say making magic costs 15E?
Did I miss something in the OP, or was it a pricecheck answer by KJP?

It costs 10E to make a new magic system, but making new magic schools under a preexisting system is free. That was from a pricecheck.

Ah, well that means it'll be some ticks until I can make the Alfar, if I have to pay 10E before I can even make them.

Hmm. It seems you will be fine, if you dip into your Ichor.

[Happy Demon]

Wait, where does it say making magic costs 15E?
Did I miss something in the OP, or was it a pricecheck answer by KJP?

It costs 10E to make a new magic system, but making new magic schools under a preexisting system is free. That was from a pricecheck.

Ah, well that means it'll be some ticks until I can make the Alfar, if I have to pay 10E before I can even make them.

Hmm. It seems you will be fine, if you dip into your Ichor.

Oh right, I had completely forgot I could do that. Yeah, I'll probably do that.

[Vgray]

I'm in the unusual position of wanting to create angels using a nonexistent creature as a base. Since I have so many Shiny Ones to make they'll all probably be novice agents who fight together.

Or the reborn Amathet and Sapphira can be a power duo, I haven't decided.



Fun fact, it was my own personal paranoid headcanon that Fusil was driven insane by the Void. Either directly or indirectly. It makes a frightening amount of sense if you go back to the earlier ticks and realize how much less of an arrogant megalomaniac Fusil was. Of course, I'm biased, since a lot of this idea has to do with the fact that Azem long considered Fusil (and indeed all the gods) to be playing right into the Void's appendages.

Eh, Fusil was the only sane one. At the start, he had no followers to protect and no enemies. As the game went on, he learned more about the Void, had squishy followers he wanted to keep from getting squished, and couldn't trust the other Gods making him more paranoid than anything (which is a perfectly reasonable response all things considered).

The current excuse for the super late update is preparation for a nice job opportunity. Most of the Tick text is done now.

Good luck! Nice jobs are nice.

Azem hated paranoia.

[Demonic Spoon]

Wait, where does it say making magic costs 15E?
Did I miss something in the OP, or was it a pricecheck answer by KJP?

It costs 10E to make a new magic system, but making new magic schools under a preexisting system is free. That was from a pricecheck.

You've keep saying this, but I'd like to note that KJP has indicated magic system cost varies. The SRD Arcane spells as an complete magic system would cost 15E

[Stirk]

Wait, where does it say making magic costs 15E?
Did I miss something in the OP, or was it a pricecheck answer by KJP?

It costs 10E to make a new magic system, but making new magic schools under a preexisting system is free. That was from a pricecheck.

You've keep saying this, but I'd like to note that KJP has indicated magic system cost varies. The SRD Arcane spells as an complete magic system would cost 15E

Supporting quotes:

        Art of Breath, Sky, Scales, and Fire: 0E if adding as schools to an existing magic system, else 10E (i.e. creating a draconic magic system with these as starting schools)

The first time he stated the magic school cost it was 15E

micelus: Magic system (not school): Varies, probably 15E for something that allows all the SRD arcane spells

Though most price-checked then have been 10E. It is likely that the system he is designing would be the 10E version.

[Andres]

$$$
Price check on [Locked] traits for afterlives
Price check on activating common sense

EDIT: Did some thinking and remembered that having magic was not part of the original angel template. Removing Arcane Background from the angel template. It still feels weird without it but it's technically not bare minimum.

[Detoxicated]

Do we have a list of creatures, magic schools etc.?

[Happy Demon]

Do we have a list of creatures, magic schools etc.?

Nope, you'll have to find them the old fashioned way.

[Vgray]

Uh, we do actually. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155417.msg6738062#msg6738062

[micelus]

Uh, we do actually. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155417.msg6738062#msg6738062

I've updated it to the start of Tick 3. Can't find the Amilyds unfortunately...Also probably missing info on some magical schools.