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No (flat 0.3E/T/u, break-even times 3T, 5T, 8T, 13T, 19T) (pro: Balances T4-based agents, contra: Takes forever to break even)

6 (33.3%)

Yes (1/3 creation cost/T, break-even times 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T) (pro: 3x break-even ratio preserved, contra: Low-tier races useless)

2 (11.1%)

Yes ((tier + 1)/3, break-even times 3T, 6T, 8T, 10T, 12T) (pro: Maximizes above two's strengths? contra: Maximizes above two's weaknesses?)

9 (50%)

Yes (other scale posted in thread)

1 (5.6%)

Yes (another scale posted in thread)

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 18

[IcyTea31]

A hindrance to whom? That is the question. The races cannot expand and thrive if doing so goes against my will. That is certainly a hindrance, just for them, not for me. Of course, everything is in deference to KJP. It's why I posted the sheet on OOC first - to make sure everything's ok..

To you. The player. That is what hindrances are for. There is absolutely no reason there would be something that benefits you wile making it cheaper, and if there was it would be even more annoying that you are giving it to all your creations.

How about this: due to the vow, the mortals don't do anything they're not specifically told to by Eid. Suddenly, Andres is practically playing Command & Conquer with the mortals, trying to develop a macro so he can divide his attention to other endeavours. This macro, or standing divine orders given to the mortals by Eid, as they would be in the fluff, lead to serious incidents as they are followed too literally. Andres/Eid keeps developing the system to avoid these incidents, until one day YG becomes sentient enough to play by itself and kicks all the players out.

[Happy Demon]

A hindrance to whom? That is the question. The races cannot expand and thrive if doing so goes against my will. That is certainly a hindrance, just for them, not for me. Of course, everything is in deference to KJP. It's why I posted the sheet on OOC first - to make sure everything's ok..

To you. The player. That is what hindrances are for. There is absolutely no reason there would be something that benefits you wile making it cheaper, and if there was it would be even more annoying that you are giving it to all your creations.

How about this: due to the vow, the mortals don't do anything they're not specifically told to by Eid. Suddenly, Andres is practically playing Command & Conquer with the mortals, trying to develop a macro so he can divide his attention to other endeavours. This macro, or standing divine orders given to the mortals by Eid, as they would be in the fluff, lead to serious incidents as they are followed too literally. Andres/Eid keeps developing the system to avoid these incidents, until one day YG becomes sentient enough to play by itself and kicks all the players out.

Or maybe they're super zealous, and makes a ton of holy wars.

Or follows orders to the letter, even the slightest typo or oversight can cause massive problems.

Or whatever power structures not directly endorsed by Eid gets overthrown, leading to a complete anarchy, until a king is appointed.
And then said king may go insane, but they're so unquestioning in loyalty, they'll burn the country down at the king's whim.

[hector13]

Could just be selfish bastards. The description also says a "vow to himself", so it could just work similar to being stubborn or selfish.

Or they have a species-wide vow to perform certain menial/pointless tasks every day.

[Vgray]

I'm giving all of my races Loyal, come what may. Should be interesting.

[hector13]

I'm giving all of my races Loyal, come what may. Should be interesting.

I will make sure all my races are super friendly with your ones then

[Ama]

Spoiler: Nains (click to show/hide)

Name: Nains
    Tier: 0
    Edges:  Gadgeteer* (N, AB (Weird Science) Level Headed (S, Sm d8)
    Major Hindrance: Anemic (Major)  Bad Eyes (Major)
    Description: Nains are short gray humanoids with large black eyes. They are very emotionless creatures that strive to use logic and reason to explain the world around them.

So, is this also correct?

[hector13]

Not sure about gadgeteer applying to YG though, that's something for KJP. 2 novice edges for 2 major hindrances for a tier-0 creation looks good, otherwise.

There's a list of traits in the tome of info with points values if you'd prefer to use them. You can choose hindrances from the Savage Worlds thing, but the Edges might be more difficult to apply here. Again, something for KJP.

[Stirk]

Tier 0 still has 2 points, so you actually have 2 points left over.

[hector13]

Also that.

I should stop thinking I know things on no sleep.

[Detoxicated]

So again,
If I were to create regular animals, how much essence and action points would it cost me per population unit?

[Stirk]

So again,
If I were to create regular animals, how much essence and action points would it cost me per population unit?

You don't have to ask again. Nobody answered because only KJP knows that right now.

[Andres]

To you. The player. That is what hindrances are for. There is absolutely no reason there would be something that benefits you wile making it cheaper, and if there was it would be even more annoying that you are giving it to all your creations.

Look, I'm just going by the description in the book that you defended so heavily. If it says I can pledge them to my religion as a hindrance, that's what I'm gonna do. If KJP looks at the hindrance and decides to make it a positive trait, fine, but until then there's no reason for me to exclude it.

For one of them you literally just put down the DF description and said "Oh, and they all get random traits/edges so I dun gotta do them.", the rest are hardly intellectually exhausting to come up with.

I didn't give them that setup because of laziness, actually, but rather because I found it would be interesting if they would match how humans are in other games. It also means that Humans will end up being the "various skills" race and it would actually make sense if they managed to become dominant over Elves and Dwarves. It's not certain, but at least it can happen. The DF description was honestly a reference to humans being as generic as they are.

Oh well, I guess I will just have to murder all your creations again  .

I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, but keep in mind that attacking someone IC for OOC reasons is against the rules.

The descriptions for traits hint at the mechanics of the traits. The exact appearance of the traits (within reason) is left up to the player. Interpolation/extrapolation for traits with + or - sizes is unsupported at this time.

Andres.

Emphasis mine.

It also says 'request'. Not 'make your own'.

I think the thing you're emphasizing refers to assigning hard numbers to the traits. Defining that Keen Sight+1 increases maximum visible range by 50 metres and Keen Sight +2 increases by 100 metres, for example. I price checked Fruitful-X so if the results come back differently, I can just go back to the sheets and alter it if it differs to KJP's judgement. The other "custom" traits are just variations of the ones in the book or the Tome*. The only difference is fluff. The one exception is Prideful which I will actually have to price check.

*Attractive downgraded to Slightly Attractive: Less bonus = less cost. Precedence: Arcane Background->Slightly Magical

How about this: due to the vow, the mortals don't do anything they're not specifically told to by Eid. Suddenly, Andres is practically playing Command & Conquer with the mortals, trying to develop a macro so he can divide his attention to other endeavours. This macro, or standing divine orders given to the mortals by Eid, as they would be in the fluff, lead to serious incidents as they are followed too literally. Andres/Eid keeps developing the system to avoid these incidents, until one day YG becomes sentient enough to play by itself and kicks all the players out.

Or maybe they're super zealous, and makes a ton of holy wars.

Or follows orders to the letter, even the slightest typo or oversight can cause massive problems.

Or whatever power structures not directly endorsed by Eid gets overthrown, leading to a complete anarchy, until a king is appointed.
And then said king may go insane, but they're so unquestioning in loyalty, they'll burn the country down at the king's whim.

That doesn't match what the book says about what Vow does. It's just a pledge to a religion. The Dwarves take the pledge a lot more seriously than Elves or Humans but it's hardly as crippling as either of you make it out to be.

Could just be selfish bastards. The description also says a "vow to himself", so it could just work similar to being stubborn or selfish.

Vow (Minor/Major): The hero has a pledge to himself, a group, a deity, or a religion

I've specified that it's a pledge to myself by using parentheses.

[hector13]

Nonsense rituals to worship you then, that other races think are stupid

[Andres]

Nonsense rituals to worship you then, that other races think are stupid

Different cultures, different ways of showing reverence to one's god(s). I don't see a problem with that.

[crazyabe]

Nonsense rituals to worship you then, that other races think are stupid

Different cultures, different ways of showing reverence to one's god(s). I don't see a problem with that.

So if they start sacrificing millions of creatures/people in your name to keep the worlds turning and the sun shining, somewhat like the aztecs, is fine with you?