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No (flat 0.3E/T/u, break-even times 3T, 5T, 8T, 13T, 19T) (pro: Balances T4-based agents, contra: Takes forever to break even)

6 (33.3%)

Yes (1/3 creation cost/T, break-even times 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T) (pro: 3x break-even ratio preserved, contra: Low-tier races useless)

2 (11.1%)

Yes ((tier + 1)/3, break-even times 3T, 6T, 8T, 10T, 12T) (pro: Maximizes above two's strengths? contra: Maximizes above two's weaknesses?)

9 (50%)

Yes (other scale posted in thread)

1 (5.6%)

Yes (another scale posted in thread)

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 18

[Happy Demon]

Even if [Climbing] costs 1 point, I still have 2 points remaining on my creatures.
I can't really think of anything to pick that wouldn't mess up the idea behind them.

Well, guess I'll just have them be Tier 1, except using 0/2 points.

[Andres]

KJP, you missed my price check on the Aligned trait.

It's not like there's ever an established morality beyond no god killing and no destroying the universe. And maybe a selfishly passed rule against extinction events if the mortals are lucky.

When was that established? I killed gods all the time and people stopped caring eventually. "Oh Look. Yaos got offed again by winged monkeys. Hohum."

"Gods". You only ever killed one god. Even then it took you five tries before you finally succeeded.

[Kilojoule Proton]

Happy Demon: Confirming the nature of the difference between Defense and Protection

Rolepgeek:

Your character may not be a hero, but he’d give his life for his friends. This character can never leave a man behind if there’s any chance at all he could help.

YGL interpretation: Can cause those with Loyal to help those who serve their creators at any cost

This noble soul never says no to a person in need. She doesn’t have to be happy about it, but she always comes to the rescue of those she feels can’t help themselves. She’s the first one to run into a burning building, usually agrees to hunt monsters for little or no pay, and is generally a pushover for a sob story.

YGL interpretation: Adds a high-priority distraction in the form of distressed mortals

The character has a vow of some sort. Whether it’s Major or Minor depends on the Vow itself. Some may have Vows to particular orders or causes, to the Hippocratic Oath, to rid the world of evil, and so on. The danger in fulfilling the Vow and how often it might occur determines the level of the Hindrance. Whatever the Vow, it’s only a Hindrance if it actually comes into play from time to time and causes the character some discomfort.

YGL interpretation: If it's serious enough to earn a Vow Hindrance instead of just a vow, it's probably going to cause trouble or at least restrict actions quite a bit.

micelus: Nergu updated

Stirk: Not for all of them, but taking multiple Extra Hands is fine.

Andres: There is no Aligned trait at the moment because sphere stuff hasn't been handed out yet. Rest assured that the effects will be more explicit than before.

$$$? Response
Happy Demon: For the Skinless Ones, I found it's under budget even as a Tier 0 race if that helps

Stirk: Henrietta Halftrack: Looks about right

micelus:
        Minor Hindrances are -1 and Major Hindrances are -2, yes
        Caste 3 probably ends up something like Immobile aka Very Slow aka Speed-2 (-2), Leadership+5 (5), Smarts+2 (3), Vigor-1? (-2), Squishy aka Protection-2 (-2), Defense-2 (-2), Anemic (-1)
        Taken as an aggregate, I assume the Humans breed enough not to die out, thus making individual infertile/fertile tags unnecessary.)

Dutrius:
        Ethereal: Would the Phasing flavor of Burrowing/Wall Walking/Phasing/&c. <2> possibly combined with Dodging <3> and/or Defense <2 or 3> work well enough?
        The Amilyd seem to have two unused points on Tier 2 (i.e. they work perfectly with a Tier 1 price)

[micelus]

Ooh ok. Also, if I take negative traits, I reduce the tier, yes? The Tome says that the tiers are dependent on how many points are spent but if I just pile on negative traits I can make things that could be extremely op in a few narrow situations. This is working as intended, yes?


The Secret History of Humanity: Excerpts

Spoiler:  The Three Castes (click to show/hide)

Emegtei (Amazons of the Steppes)
Tier-1(1.7E/Unit) (3pts)
Leadership(+1), Spirit (+1), Agility (+1), Steppe-dweller (+1), Code of Honour (-2), Slightly Magical (+1)

Female* humans care not for the towns that surround Earthfathers nor the repetitive tasks involved in serving them. Instead, the Emegtei prefer the vast open steppes and the nomadic lifestyle that goes with it. Here they eek out a tribal existence with raiding, trading and shepherding constituting the majority of their working lives. Emegtei have strict code of honour, which while differing between tribes, prevents them from utterly destroying an enemy, leaving their birthplace undefended or going against an oath. Emegtei are born with a powerful voice, making them particularly good at throat-singing.

Emegtei are initially raised by the eregtei of their birthplace but are quickly inducted into their mother's clan once they can walk. Most emegtei will refuse to attack their birthplace and most would at the very least attempt to defend it.

Eregtei (Caretakers of the Earthfathers)
Tier-0 (1.0E/Unit) (+2pts)
Smarts (+1), Vow** (-1), Slightly Magical (+1), Curious (-2), Healers (+1), Gadgeteer (+2)

Eregtei are the male population of humanity and constitute a much smaller percentage than the Emegtei, although this is not immediately obvious due to having a higher population density than their nomadic sisters. Eregtei lack the powerful physique of their sisters but make up with it with their natural knowledge of medicine, their love of learning and a gift with divination. Eregtei are religiously and filially dedicated to their parent Earthfather and very rarely leave home. Unlike the emegtei, eregtei have very little care for honour or tradition (beyond their vows), only caring for what works. If a large number of eregtei are concentrated in a small area, a Joining Event occurs. Several hundred eregtei are suddenly compelled to travel to a new location and then commit ritual suicide. From the mound of corpses a new Earthfather will emerge, inheriting it's fathers' memories. These sacrificial humans are usually accompanied by an army of eregtei settlers/caretakers and emegtei escorts.

Eregtei are initially raised by another man assigned to the task but are adopted by a eregtei family after a few months. If an eregtei is not adopted, he is either offered a place in an emegtei tribe (which is very rare) or fostered out to another town.


Earthfathers/Delkhii (Fathers of Humanity)
Tier-0 (1E/Unit) (+2pts)
Speed -2(-2), Leadership (+5), Smarts (+3), Vigor-1 (-2), Protection (-2), Extra hand/foot [Tentacles!] (+2), Loyal (-1). Quirk*** (-1) [Apathetic]

Gargantuan tentacled (and sometimes hairy) creatures, Earthfathers are the only humans capable of reproduction and are in fact incapable of most other actions. Earthfathers inhabit places where they can safely raise their children without the interference of others and as such prefer caves and castles to the green steppes most humans call home. Earthfathers, while highly intelligent and fiercly protective of their children, are pitifully weak in a direct confrontation and barely have any interests in matters beyond their their offspring.

Earthfathers are always capable of producing eregtei but require emegtei genetic material to produce more emegtei.

*Even with a lack of sexual organs, gender is still a thing in this species.
**Eregtei are religiously obligated to serve their Earthfather parent for perpetuity unless they are able to become an Earthfather themselves. As such, they almost never leave their birthplace unless ordered/exiled.
** Earthfathers has almost no concern for anything that happens beyond its chambers unless it and its brood is endangered and/or their is a Joining Event occurring. Even then it is unlikely to do much personally.

In other news, Mongolian sounds quite like elder scroll's draconic; they even have throat-singing!

Spoiler: Horses (click to show/hide)

Tier-0 (1E/Unit) (+2pts)
Speed+2 (2)

Omnivorous quadrupeds, horses are adapted to flat grasslands in which they naturally reside.

Spoiler: Hounds (click to show/hide)

Tier-0 (1E/Unit) (+2pts)
Keen (Hearing) (1), Protection-1 (-1), Strength+1 (1), Thermalvision (1)

Bulky carnivorous quadrupeds, hounds are nearly always near their human masters

Spoiler: Throat-Singing (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Necromancy (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Tribal Culture (click to show/hide)

[Dutrius]

Dutrius:
        Ethereal: Would the Phasing flavor of Burrowing/Wall Walking/Phasing/&c. <2> possibly combined with Dodging <3> and/or Defense <2 or 3> work well enough?
        The Amilyd seem to have two unused points on Tier 2 (i.e. they work perfectly with a Tier 1 price)

Ethereal: Yes, that sounds good.

Amilyd: Huh, so I do. Adjusting.

[Happy Demon]

Oh right, Tier 0 has 2 points. Well, I'll just take the extra cost then. Chalk it up to Hevin not being particularly skilled at creation.
Besides, 1E per unit isn't all that expensive.

[darkwarlock3]

Spoiler: Have a god (click to show/hide)

Name: Infernum Aranearum Mortis
Primary form: A humanoid female with the lower body of a Giant spider
Symbol: A spider with a skull for it's body.
Spheres: Spiders / Depravity
Friends, Enemies: NA
Description/Background: NA

[Stirk]

Ooh ok. Also, if I take negative traits, I reduce the tier, yes? The Tome says that the tiers are dependent on how many points are spent but if I just pile on negative traits I can make things that could be extremely op in a few narrow situations. This is working as intended, yes?

Spoiler:  Humans Revised (click to show/hide)

Emegtei (Amazons of the Steppes)
Tier-1(1.7E/Unit) (3pts)
Leadership(+1), Spirit (+1), Agility (+1), Steppe-dweller (+1), Code of Honour (-2), Slightly Magical (+1)

Female* humans care not for the towns that surround Earthfathers nor the repetitive tasks involved in serving them. Instead, the Emegtei prefer the vast open steppes and the nomadic lifestyle that goes with it. Here they eek out a tribal existence with raiding, trading and shepherding constituting the majority of their working lives. Emegtei have strict code of honour, which while differing between tribes, prevents them from utterly destroying an enemy, leaving their birthplace undefended or going against an oath. Emegtei are born with a powerful voice, making them particularly good at throat-singing.

Emegtei are initially raised by the eregtei of their birthplace but are quickly inducted into their mother's clan once they can walk. Most emegtei will refuse to attack their birthplace and most would at the very least attempt to defend it.

Eregtei (Caretakers of the Earthfathers)
Tier-0 (1.0E/Unit) (+3pts)
Protection (-1), Vow** (-1), Slightly Magical (+1), Curious (+2), Healers (+1)

Eregtei are the male population of humanity and constitute a much smaller percentage than the Emegtei, although this is not immediately obvious due to having a higher population density than their nomadic sisters. Eregtei lack the powerful physique of their sisters but make up with it with their natural knowledge of medicine, their love of learning and a gift with divination. Eregtei are religiously and filially dedicated to their parent Earthfather and very rarely leave home. Unlike the emegtei, eregtei have very little care for honour or tradition (beyond their vows), only caring for what works. If a large number of eregtei are concentrated in a small area, a Joining Event occurs. Several hundred eregtei are suddenly compelled to travel to a new location and then commit ritual suicide. From the mound of corpses a new Earthfather will emerge, inheriting it's fathers' memories. These sacrificial humans are usually accompanied by an army of eregtei settlers/caretakers and emegtei escorts.

Eregtei are initially raised by another man assigned to the task but are adopted by a eregtei family after a few months. If an eregtei is not adopted, he is either offered a place in an emegtei tribe (which is very rare) or fostered out to another town.


Earthfathers/Delkhii (Fathers of Humanity)
Tier-0 (1E/Unit) (0pts)
Speed -2(-2), Leadership (+5), Smarts (+3), Vigor-1 (-2), Protection (-2), Defence (-2), Extra hand/foot [Tentacles!] (+2), Loyal (-1). Quirk*** (-1) [Apathetic]

Gargantuan tentacled (and sometimes hairy) creatures, Earthfathers are the only humans capable of reproduction and are in fact incapable of most other actions. Earthfathers inhabit places where they can safely raise their children without the interference of others and as such prefer caves and castles to the green steppes most humans call home. Earthfathers, while highly intelligent and fiercly protective of their children, are pitifully weak in a direct confrontation and barely have any interests in matters beyond their their offspring.

Earthfathers are always capable of producing eregtei but require emegtei genetic material to produce more emegtei.

*Even with a lack of sexual organs, gender is still a thing in this species.
**Eregtei are religiously obligated to serve their Earthfather parent for perpetuity unless they are able to become an Earthfather themselves. As such, they almost never leave their birthplace unless ordered/exiled.
** Earthfathers has almost no concern for anything that happens beyond its chambers unless it and its brood is endangered and/or their is a Joining Event occurring. Even then it is unlikely to do much personally.

In other news, Mongolian sounds quite like elder scroll's draconic; they even have throat-singing!

Curious is classified as a "Hindrance", meaning it is -2 points instead of +2.

[Andres]

Spoiler: Have a god (click to show/hide)

Name: Infernum Aranearum Mortis
Primary form: A humanoid female with the lower body of a Giant spider
Symbol: A spider with a skull for it's body.
Spheres: Spiders / Depravity
Friends, Enemies: NA
Description/Background: NA

Depravity as a sphere was banned back in YG1.

[darkwarlock3]

Changed.

Spoiler: have a god (click to show/hide)

Name: Infernum Aranearum Mortis
Primary form: A humanoid female with the lower body of a Giant spider
Symbol: A spider with a skull for it's body.
Spheres: Spiders / Torment
Friends, Enemies: NA
Description/Background: NA

[Vgray]

We had a creepy goddess of pain once, anyone remember? I don't think she did much, but it's hard to tell when the most important actions and conflicts of YG1 were all secret.

[hector13]

We had a creepy goddess of pain once, anyone remember? I don't think she did much, but it's hard to tell when the most important actions and conflicts of YG1 were all secret.

Wasn't that torture, rather than pain?

[~Neri]

Spoiler: A Certain Cat: (click to show/hide)

Name: Meow

Spheres: Oblivion and Chaos.

Primary form/associated symbol: A malevolently smiling purple cat. Sometimes it smiles from many places at once. The symbol is usually variations on said cat. More often then not there are at least five mouths on the cat.

Description/Background: The origins of 'Meow' are shrouded by the Void. One could very well say Meow is Of the Void. Reality tends to.. Crack in his wake, and every so often, a Relative might slip through. Just as mad as the Harbringer himself.

_...honk

[Vgray]

We had a creepy goddess of pain once, anyone remember? I don't think she did much, but it's hard to tell when the most important actions and conflicts of YG1 were all secret.

Wasn't that torture, rather than pain?

Probably.

[Andres]

We had a creepy goddess of pain once, anyone remember? I don't think she did much, but it's hard to tell when the most important actions and conflicts of YG1 were all secret.

Yes we did have a Goddess of Torture/Pain. She was actually fairly nice.