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Author Topic: Arms Race - 1784: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase  (Read 16733 times)

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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Revision Phase
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2016, 07:15:31 pm »

flazeo I honestly don't understand what you're getting at. We send the design and the Americans send us ore. That's it. No movement of ships on our part.
Well if the Mullard cannot get the ore to us its half of our problem. We should work with this either at the focus or revise for some more formidable boat.

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« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2016, 09:16:48 pm »

We are losing the land battle, and we can't afford to lose that, we can afford to lose the sea, we need to make something to push the confederacy back
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« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2016, 12:42:44 am »

We are losing the land battle, and we can't afford to lose that, we can afford to lose the sea, we need to make something to push the confederacy back

Yeah and we focus on pushing the Confeds this turn then,but getting a better samara wont do much at all against confeds since they have far superior guns while we have may have best boats. There combe gun is well better including their upgrade air guns. Your right that we can afford to loose the sea cause we can probally do some damage and loyalist have tried to land invade us yet. If we want to deal with confeds we need to design a newer rifle or steal one.
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« Reply #63 on: January 07, 2016, 03:07:08 am »

Right now, the Samara outranges the Victoria by about 50 meters. This means we always get the first volley, which is very important. If we start with a hundred men each, and we shoot first and drop fifteen, only eighty-five rifles are ever fired back at us. Let's say we put another fifty to one hundred meters range on the thing. They have to run a hundred and fifty meters before they can even start to shoot at us. We probably get another volley off in the time it takes them to run into range and form up. Now we are well within our range and can expect more rifles to hit, so let's say we hit twenty this time. suddenly we outnumber them three to two, and they haven't even started shooting. If they start shooting here, we have an advantage again as they are at the limit of their range while we are well within ours, so we'll be more accurate. If they don't they have to keep running and take yet another volley to get into their optimal range.

Keep in mind we also have the Victoria, so we can revise that as well if that interests anyone. It would basically get us to parity with the Confeds on land. Something that I notice is that if the Victoria II air rifle is complex, the Samara really shouldn't be, as the Samara has far fewer moving parts and is overall a much simpler weapon.

I think that navally, the best thing we can do is design a twelve-pounder cannon next turn, which will help both on land and at sea, where it will be able to easily outshoot the Loyalists' six-pounders. Something kind of funny is that the entire reason we lost to the Loyalists at sea was because they had superior range, something I think is a testament to the power of outranging your opponent.
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« Reply #64 on: January 07, 2016, 05:53:08 am »

Can we actually get the Minie ball first?

The Samara is Rifle first and foremost, and while we got the first volley we have lower RoF.

Edit: No we got the Minie ball. We just need to make them more common.
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« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2016, 09:33:11 am »

So can someone put forward a proposal other than revising the samara, because that is currently the only one i think.
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« Reply #66 on: January 07, 2016, 10:54:34 am »

We have steam power, right?

Refine the production process of the Samara to use more power tools. Actually anything that need a bore or stamping should benefit from steam.

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« Reply #67 on: January 07, 2016, 07:28:56 pm »

There seems to be a general consensus towards revising the Samara. If no competition appears before my midday tomorrow,  I'll roll with that.
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« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2016, 07:59:28 pm »

We have steam power, right?

Refine the production process of the Samara to use more power tools. Actually anything that need a bore or stamping should benefit from steam.
+1 Sure that sounds more benfiticial.
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« Reply #69 on: January 07, 2016, 08:06:33 pm »

It's still a revision of the Samara. Actually the relative uniformity of more mechanical machining would probably solve some of the problems of a muzzle-loading rifle.
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« Reply #70 on: January 07, 2016, 08:10:24 pm »

It's still a revision of the Samara. Actually the relative uniformity of more mechanical machining would probably solve some of the problems of a muzzle-loading rifle.
true.

Also what exotic item are we sending the brits?
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« Reply #71 on: January 07, 2016, 08:12:59 pm »

I believe Beneviento Count Redward is making some nice hats.
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« Reply #72 on: January 07, 2016, 08:13:56 pm »

I believe Beneviento Count Redward is making some nice hats.
Well glorious hats sound like good thing to keep them away from our island.
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« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2016, 09:27:04 am »

I believe Beneviento Count Redward is making some nice hats.
I like this idea too
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« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2016, 10:15:52 am »

Quote from: Samara Mk. 2
A variation of the Brown Bess designed with 4 rifling grooves cut down the barrel using a steam powered borer. Other parts of the weapon are also produced with steam powered machinery, causing a degree of uniformity previously only seen with the foreign cannon casting systems. The carbine uses uniform lead bullets that expand into the grooves upon detonation of the gunpowder. The barrel is shortened to facilitate easier loading (the uniformity making it quicker than a Brown Bess), resulting in a lower muzzle velocity. However, due to the rifling grooves, the effective range is still improved, but not a much as on a full sized example. The Samara's most effective range is 150-200 meters. (1 ore)

Techs Used:
Rifling
Uniform Production

You guys lucked out hard there.

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Obsolete Samara Mk 1 and Brown Bess?

Please select one of the following as your second resource:
Wood (used in ships)
Ore (used in weaponry)
Coal (used in steam engines)
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