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Author Topic: Arms Race - 1784: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase  (Read 16789 times)

Kashyyk

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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2016, 08:39:31 am »

I've heard mentions of a pepperbox carbine. Does someone want to throw up a design so it can be critiqued?
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2016, 09:38:04 am »

Sure why not:
Sorry I'm not feeling very literate right now but I don't think I missed anything too important.

I'd like to see some more people posting in here about things before we commit to anything though.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2016, 06:50:27 pm »

Sure why not:
Sorry I'm not feeling very literate right now but I don't think I missed anything too important.

I'd like to see some more people posting in here about things before we commit to anything though.
Seems to be just multibarrel pistol by how it described, well multibarrel would fire all shots at same time and would be very heavy unless you mean it something like a revolver with how it fires?
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2016, 07:13:16 pm »

I suppose it is technically a revolver, multiple chambers mounted on a revolving cylinder. It's a barrel per chamber though, and the rotation is done by hand rather than automatically.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2016, 08:37:30 pm »

I suppose it is technically a revolver, multiple chambers mounted on a revolving cylinder. It's a barrel per chamber though, and the rotation is done by hand rather than automatically.
Well we could try make a bit better if going for revolver like proper chamber and such?
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2016, 08:43:13 pm »

I guess it'd be about as difficult to make and operate. Maybe harder to load but not by too much.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2016, 08:58:45 pm »

I guess it'd be about as difficult to make and operate. Maybe harder to load but not by too much.
Just checked and seems like revolvers don't have good range at best 30-50 yards?
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2016, 09:04:12 pm »

It's a carbine, not a pistol. A bit less accurate/powerful than a rifle but not that much less.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2016, 11:58:00 pm »

I like the idea of a carbine so
Sure why not:
Sorry I'm not feeling very literate right now but I don't think I missed anything too important.

I'd like to see some more people posting in here about things before we commit to anything though.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2016, 03:47:59 am »

I'm just going to post absolutely everything I can think of.

How about a Nock Gun? Basically the same as Graknorke's suggestion except we leave out the revolving, hopefully saving on complexity. The real Nock Gun fired all seven loads at the same time, but we don't want that, so we would just need to separate the firing mechanisms. Or, we could make a gun that can fire superposed loads, like we discussed last thread.

Percussion caps worry me because I've always agreed that it's better to have something pretty good now, rather than something unusable now and perfect later.

Something I notice is that the Loyalists have just now decided to design a rifle outranging the Brown Bess, and so have the only one that does so by a wide margin (our Samara only does so by fifty-odd meters). If we design something like the Baker rifle, omitting the breechloading and other complexity-inducing factors the Loyalists have tried, we can probably have something that can really break them up from range.

I almost hesitate to say it, but what if we arm our cavalry with lances? We seem to be falling into the same trap that 1500-1600 era cavalry did with the caracole maneuver, attempting to outgun infantry when we cannot do so. Fire will never be cav's strong suit, so why shouldn't we use a weapon that should ensure our victory by shock? Also, none of the Dunwich rifles have bayonets so if we get in with shock cavalry, we could cut up their formations pretty badly. Also, it should be just about impossible to fail in designing a lance. Winged Hussars anyone?

Overall, I think we should try to make something that outranges the Victoria, but can still be fired quickly. Cavalry firearms seem to be marginal to me because infantry will always outgun cavalry. Thus, I think something similar to a Delvigne rifle is definitely worth a try, so how about the design below?


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracole
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2016, 04:33:18 am »

I thought they are carbines? They are not for charging the enemy, but rather to discharge a few volleys before redeploying or charging in with cold steel.

We definitely are not going for the Curiasser with Pistols route.

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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2016, 04:39:49 am »

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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2016, 05:57:45 am »

Before I forget, another option may be to revise the Samara, trying to increase its range through a larger powder charge or whatever, freeing up our design phase for applying our knowledge of steam power to industry such as mining. Or, we could develop some kind of flume network using steam to pump water to the top or whatever, gaining wood.

Also, as we are a monarchy, I hereby "dwarf myself" as Count Redward of Laketon, my holdings as the land in between the two rivers north of Atterton. I have begun an operation harvesting beaver pelts and producing wonderful warm and dry fur hats which we will be offering for sale to international clients.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2016, 05:31:38 am »

There's marginal support for the cricket, and none for anything else. If we don't get anything more,  I'll Rik for that this evening.
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Re: Arms Race - 1783: Atterton Monarchy Design Phase
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2016, 05:32:53 am »

I just got a new computer
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